What should happen with the UWR?

[Stefan]

Yes, the wiki idea sounds good. Just allow users to edit the pages.

Could take care of the updating issue, but would only keep the current functionality. I want to build a system somewhat like the WCA results system, with a database and flexible views, e.g., not just a ranking for each event, but also listing all blindfold records, showing records of one person, filter by country, etc. And with proper user accounts, one advantage being trusted people getting their posted records shown automatically. I also like Tim's idea of showing all posted records and having "fake"-button and comments-page, though.

 

[CharlieCooper]

Although I have already posted in this thread, that was more about a way of arranging the UWR. On the topic of keeping it, I think that's really important. Some people want everybody to know about their achievements even though they can't make it to competitions, and we all know that often people do a lot better at home because of various factors.

 

[qqwref]

The UWR page is kinda outdated since a lot of cubers have stopped posting their times there. Is it even worth it to keep it going if it is not a very good representation of the unofficial records that are going on? Ron already has so much things to do, I'd say let someone else manage it if he/she really has a fetish for it or drop the whole UWR section. After all it's official times that count most

1) Some fast people still care about unofficial records. The best times ever may not be there but it would still have some decent times if it was updated.
2) Official times are not accurate when the person in question has not been unfairly advantaged or disadvantaged by luck. If someone had a really easy scramble or a very very nice solve, like my 16.xx OH solve or most sub-2 2x2x2 single times, they might feel they will never beat it, whereas if someone had only a few tries in competition they might be certain they could do much better than before if they only had a chance to try again. There are also people who get nervous in competitions and deserve to have much better times than their official results show.
3) There are always going to be people who care about events that are not official (computer cubes, other puzzles such as the 360 or Mirror Blocks, marathons, averages of 12, big cube BLD or big multiBLD) the UWR is the highest possible award.
4) If you are trying something that is not an official event, and you want to know what the best times are, it's useful to have a UWR list around so you know what times you're up against. I'm sure in the 80s there were plenty of people who got down to 45 seconds on the 3x3 and thought they were the best in the world; that doesn't have to happen now that the internet exists.

 

[Erik]

qq you seem to be defending something I didn't even attacked you for. The question should we keep this was a neutral question. I think about Ron's poor old back with all the work. It's cool if someone else is willing to take over the work of maintaining the UWR page
Btw, at 'point 4' they also didn't have lists of official times, they do now

 

[qqwref]

Well, I'm not really defending against a perceived attack; instead I thought that would be a good time to explain why I think it's useful to keep the list even if some of the fast people don't use it at all. By the way, yes, they do keep lists of official times, but for certain things such as computer cubes it is still hard to know where you stand (on computer clock for instance I am down to about 6.5 PB average of 12 and of course Woner is even faster).

As for Ron, I'm really very thankful that he did put so much effort into keeping the UWR page up, but if he doesn't want to keep maintaining it that is fine too, as apparently there are people in the community who would be very happy to help out.

 

[That70sShowDude]

Yes, the wiki idea sounds good. Just allow users to edit the pages.

Could take care of the updating issue, but would only keep the current functionality. I want to build a system somewhat like the WCA results system, with a database and flexible views, e.g., not just a ranking for each event, but also listing all blindfold records, showing records of one person, filter by country, etc. And with proper user accounts, one advantage being trusted people getting their posted records shown automatically. I also like Tim's idea of showing all posted records and having "fake"-button and comments-page, though.

brilliant

so ... what's going on with the UWR, anything figured out yet?

 

[Tim Major]

I suggest a wiki-style UWR list (yes, everyone can edit anyone's records). So spammers could be kept out and suspicious records could be discussed on a "comments" page.
Another suggestion: A simple submit form to submit your own times, which will immediately appear on the list and every visitor has the chance to click on a "fake" button. Once a record has > X spam clicks he's getting ignored.

If someone knows of any other awesome idea to avoid fake records, let me know and i'll implement it in Cubemania (which, btw. became much faster and you can view all your old times now. I guess Sarah's happy now ).

I agree. Except for in puzzles such as 2x2, 3x3, 4x4, and 5x5, as they are the ones that people would definitely fake.
Those puzzles should remain the same as they are.

 

[That70sShowDude]

Sorry for the bump, but ...

Anybody want to update the UWR page yet?
How about that wiki idea, any info about it?