Pierre Bouvier 3.00 Clock Single

[uyneb2000]

Actually it was 100 percent a mistake.

How can you make this presumption when you literally ask for a video of the solve in the same post?

 

[Jlvs2run]

The DNF / mistake is easy to see on this thread, without first seeing the video.
More extreme celebrating than his is common, and none of those people are penalized.
Because of that, I see no issue with his celebrating what he thought would be a good solve.
If people disagree, then the rules should be changed for everyone, not to single out one person.

 

[turtwig]

The DNF / mistake is easy to see on this thread, without first seeing the video.
More extreme celebrating than his is common, and none of those people are penalized.
Because of that, I see no issue with his celebrating what he thought would be a good solve.
If people disagree, then the rules should be changed for everyone, not to single out one person.

The celebrating per se is not the issue. The issue is that it is likely the case that he intentionally got a world record time, in order to get a reaction from the crowd. Normal reactions also distract competitors, but we should generally allow such reacts for legit good times (except for during something like blind). It's inevitable that people will get excited over world records. But as far as I, and many other people, can see, Pierre knowingly faked a solve for a reaction, which then distracted other competitors, which is not defensible, at least not in the same way as normal reactions, which is why we think he should be punished.

 

[aybuck37]

Idk. I still think it was a mistake. If you look at his past times he is fast so it could be legit. I kinda wish you could see the pins.

 

[uyneb2000]

Idk. I still think it was a mistake. If you look at his past times he is fast so it could be legit. I kinda wish you could see the pins.

It's been confirmed that the scrambles were garbage and that people at the competition have been told that it was on purpose. He pulled a scum move, there's no argument to it. His clock solves have been DNF'ed, as they should. The argument that he just did it by mistake is no longer valid.

The DNF / mistake is easy to see on this thread, without first seeing the video.
More extreme celebrating than his is common, and none of those people are penalized.
Because of that, I see no issue with his celebrating what he thought would be a good solve.
If people disagree, then the rules should be changed for everyone, not to single out one person.

Please enlighten me with how you came to the conclusion that it was a mistake without any evidence through the use of either a video or a scramble and reconstruction. I really wish I had your powers.

Also, the regulation regarding celebrating is under 2k4, I believe, which is under the delegate's discretion, meaning that the regulation comes with context. If a guy legitimately had a good solve, then there's no need for a penalty, as we don't expect people the suppress the joy of breaking a PR, NR, CR, WR, etc. However, in the context of celebrating for the sake of disrupting others, then there should be a penalty. It's been confirmed that Pierre did this on purpose. The one thing that should be included in the regulations, in my opinion, is adding the word "excessive" or "intentional" or both to 2k4.

With the video you provided, the context of the solves was that the reactions were impulsive and really shouldn't be held against them. And in some, it wasn't even the competitor reacting. In Jakub's feet solve and Collin's 5.25, much of the commotion was from the spectators. Who should we punish then?

Again, your argument is under the presumption that he genuinely thought it was a good solve, which has been found to be false, so I don't really see what more there is to say about this.

EDIT: adding more just because why not. DNF/Mistake? Don't put them in the same category. This DNF was NOT a mistake, and this has been confirmed and dealt with. And after looking through the video again, some examples weren't even that extreme, and a LOT of them were during head-to-head, meaning nobody was even distracted. Only maybe three or four could be questionable with the regs WITHOUT context, but WITH context they would be completely understandable. Again, your argument was built completely around a presumption that was proven false.

 

[Ordway Persyn]

This is fishy, this probably warrants an investigation by the WCA. I will withhold judgement until it is confirmed on wether he did/didn't do it on purpose, and/or to distract other competitors.

 

[CornerCutter]

Did the WCA ever do anything about this?

 

[FireCuber]

Did the WCA ever do anything about this?

Yeah, Did they?