New speedcuber, a few ?s (mostly about Fridrich)

[hube]

Hello! I'm a speedcuber from Maine. I've been cubing for about 2 weeks using http://peter.stillhq.com/jasmine/rubikscubesolution.html (Jasmine Lee's method).
It worked pretty well. I have a good understanding of the cube. My best time with this method is 58.4 seconds (1m10s average / 12) which I believe is quite good for the F2L where you have to do the middle edges individually.

My question is: Now that I am learning to do Fridrich F2L Intuitively and I'm learning the 7 Corner Orientation, 2 Corner Permutation, and 4 Edge Permutations that were on Macky's site (they are pretty much an intro to Fridrich's method), how many seconds am I looking to cut off my time and am I on the right path of learning the Fridrich method?... or should I just start cramming all of Fridrich's algorithms right away?

thanks for the help and sorry if this is hard to read!

 

[Lotsofsloths]

Your on the right path!
I remember I was starting that also, brought along some algs. to look at over vacation
I used to average around 1m20sec ish, mainly 1m15sec, best was 59 sec. then I switched to friedrich last layer, the same as ur doing now, and got around 50ish seconds, with a best of 42
i kept on practicing and got averaging 45 sec. then i learned f2l and averages 38 secounds, then i learned PLLs, and kept practicing and now im at 28 sec, and soon, ill learn all the OLLs.

 

[Jilvin]

Im at almost exactly the same place lotsofsloths is.

I started out with my first solves being 3 or 4 minutes but soon I was in the 1 minutish range. Which I then got to 55-50 second range for average. I learned intuitive f2l and got incredibly fast at it. Learning the 4 look with that I got to around 40 seconds average.

Learning PLL look plus a little cleaning around the edges for f2l brought me to sub 30 and at the Minnesota Open 2007. I placed 7th in the finals with a 27.04 second average, a little after about 10 months of speedcubing.

 

[Lotsofsloths]

Ah, you beat me though, my average at the VA open was 27.88
Well, you have a 5 month head start though, I've only been cubing for 5 months.

 

[dRaGoN]

You'll probably cut down 10-15 seconds once you get the hang of those new algorithms and once you can get a good F2L down. I got down to about 30 second average after learning those algorithms you just mentioned. And yes you are on the right track.

 

[AvGalen]

Learning algorithms and advanced methods is a very good thing, but nothing beats practice.

I average around 25 seconds and use a method that is slower than F2L (keyhole) with the same method you use for the last layer (4 look).

Some people on this forum can even get sub 20 with the real beginners method!

So yes, learn as much as you can, but don't expect your times to drop just because you learn more algs. The real speed comes from fast execution and no delays between steps.

 

[Johannes91]

a method that is slower than F2L

By F2L, you mean Fridrich F2L?

 

[hdskull]

You're on the right path, and using the same method, I averaged around mid 30s in less than a month from 50s. Then I started learning all the PLLs and am now in the process of learning all the OLLs.

 

[AvGalen]

a method that is slower than F2L

By F2L, you mean Fridrich F2L?

yes

 

[FU]

I learned intuitive f2l and got incredibly fast at it.

I dont think anyone can claim to be incredibly fast at F2L unless you are Harris Chan

 

[Jai]

Hube, learn 4 look LL, and intuitive F2L , on Macky's site, like you said, because that, with practise , can get you in the low 20's, and it's a good transition to Fridrich. While you're using that method, you can slowly learn some Fridrich.

 

[Johannes91]

4 look LL, and intuitive F2L ... can get you in the low 20's

And below, 4-look LL isn't much slower than 2-look. I'd say about 3 seconds.

 

[hube]

thanks for the responses everyone!

@ lotsofsloths: what's funny is that I started over vacation too, haha that's weird

 

[Jai]

And below, 4-look LL isn't much slower than 2-look. I'd say about 3 seconds.

I've seen Harris do some decent sub-20s with a beginner's method (demonstrations, not solves of when he actually was a beginner).

Basically, anything's possible, if you have good recognition.