Learning PLL's too fast? (Also other tips needed)

[Weiseguy]

After learning 4L-LL and getting 30s average, I somehow became overwhelmed with schoolwork and bored of my cube (I know how could I).

Well, its been around 3 months now and I decided to time myself. I now hav ea 35-40s average. My F2L has greatly improved as in this 3 month off time all I really did was do slow solves messing around in class trying to get somewhat of F2L practice in.

I am now learning all the PLL's, and (excluding the ones known for 2L-PLL) I have learned 7 algorithms in 2 days with a total of maybe 3-4hours total of learning time. Am I going way to fast? All I have left is the 4 g's, 2 n's and the final J alg. I am worried I may be passing something up with going to fast, is this normal?

Also, this may seem stupid, but I think my biggest flaw in my times is my cross. I still build it on top (I was working on solving it on the bottom when i took my break). Any tips on that? I can do a video of an average of 5-12 if you want later, though it will be a little sad

 

[ThatGuy]

It depends on if you can recognize the PLLs well enough. There's no "going too fast" if your recognition is the same as someone who learned all of them slower. Your PLLs are "memorized" when you can recognize them and execute them from muscle memory. And the final J can be done as an inverse of the first J you learned.
For the cross, go onto youtube and search badmephisto cross.

 

[Weiseguy]

It depends on if you can recognize the PLLs well enough. There's no "going too fast" if your recognition is the same as someone who learned all of them slower. Your PLLs are "memorized" when you can recognize them and execute them from muscle memory. And the final J can be done as an inverse of the first J you learned.
For the cross, go onto youtube and search badmephisto cross.

Yeah I found out how to do the J inverse (its the left handed one or final J on badmephisto's PLL page).

Meph's cross video is awesome, but idk, I think more practice is all I really need. As for recognition, I haven't tried the PLL trainer yet, but I just hand scramble my cube and solve, but because I don't know the last 6 (7 if u count the inverse J), I sometimes hesistate. I'm on vacation using a freind's computer, so I can't really download the PLL trainer or go to cubetimer constantly for scrambles and such.

Someone should get an iTouch app for alg's and scrambles, lol.

 

[ThatGuy]

Yeah after the cross video just keep those thing in mind while doing the cross and it will naturally come. Practice isn't really required for cross. You rbest bet right now is probably to just go through solves. Most of the PLLs are easy to recognize so after you encounter them a few times you probably won't have any trouble.

 

[soccerking813]

Cross isn't you biggest flaw. It is look-ahead on the F2L I bet. I solve cross on top and then use a cube rotation, and I just got a sub-20 solve the other day, and a 36 average of 12.

 

[Weiseguy]

wow, okay. well my F2L isn't the fastest, but I don't think its HORRIBLY bad. Maybe I'll work on getting a video up within a day or two, would that help? (I'll probably choke on camera )

I considered learning F2L alg's, but I really enjoy intuitive and I'm told its better for lookahead.

Oh well, I will finish the PLL's, work on just getting times down with look-ahead/F2L speed. then move on to OLL's I guess.

 

[shelley]

Learning the actual algs is only half the battle, and frankly it doesn't matter how fast you learn them. The other half of the battle is being able to recognize and apply them without thinking, which of course comes with practice and solving the cube a lot.

 

[Weiseguy]

okay so after doing around 7 solves, my best was 38s and my average was around 42s. My recognition wasn't that great, but how do you practice that other than just more solves?

Also, my cross took around 5-8s on average (estimated) which is horrible. I am using a storebought because I ran out of the house trying to get to the airport and just grabbed some cubes, didn't think about it too much

 

[ThatGuy]

For recognition- do a few random PLLs while rotating the cube in between. Then solve whatever comes up.

 

[ISuckAtCubing]

doesnt really matter on how fast you learn the pll, as long as you can memorize them, dont even think about recognizing them, you will just learn it if you do more solve

 

[blgentry]

1. F2L is definitely where the big decreases in solve times come from. Full PLL really helped me to be consistent, but F2L is where the big numbers come from.

2. You'll know you're learning PLL "too fast" if this happens to you: You're solving, see a PLL, recognize the case, and suddenly can't remember the alg. It seems younger people (those under 25 or so) absorb these things faster than the older generation(s). So your pace may be perfect, or even "slow". For me, your pace would be way too fast. I learned 1 to 2 PLLs per week while I was learning them all.

3. Training PLL recognition can't really be done other than just solving, unless you have help. That help can be a very patient friend that sets up PLL cases for you. Or that help can be a computer program that feeds you random PLL scrambles for you to recognize. I wrote one while I was learning PLL because I didn't have any friends that patient. You can read the thread about my program here. I doesn't seem to be popular at all, but maybe it will help you.

Brian.

 

[blah]

And the final J can be done as an inverse of the first J you learned.

Wrong. (too short)

 

[ThatGuy]

by inverse I mean "for lefties"
L' U' L F L' U' L U L F' L2 U L U
can replace: R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2 R L U'

 

[Weiseguy]

Yeah I found out the inverse to J on my own, but I also have learned the one badmephisto lists and I like it a little more.

Today I got my fastest time every, 27.42s by having a PLL that I recognized instantly (T perm) and a good, fast, cross plan/F2L look-ahead. Cubetimer.com was my scramble (sorry didn't write it down).

Maybe all I needed was some warmups? I did about 3-4 solves, then did that 27.42s and I didn't skip anything for the 2L-OLL. Beats my previous 30.05s best

 

[abr71310]

Weise, I think that you're progressing fine since I was able to cover the T, Js, Rs, E and F in one night (only about 4-5 hours), your problem with memoing that fast will only come when you get to the Gs and Ns, those gave me hell because of the weird shapes you get.

for the Gs, if you recog the patterns and understand what has to move, then you should be fine.

Otherwise, spend like half an hour on each alg, I guarantee that helps, just keep trying and DO NOT GIVE UP. I gave up after about 5 minutes, don't, it helps the longer you try and the more you execute it. Really.

 

[Weiseguy]

wow, so i took a day or 2 off visiting friends (remember im on vacation) and last night ran through the first g-perm. definitely gonna need some time with these to make sure I get them down. I have it memorized, but I want speed and recognizing now.