Forced PLL Skips

[jacob15728]

So I just had an idea, and I was wondering if anyone here had tried this or has any comments.

If you're doing OLL and notice that you have one of the seven cases where all edges are correctly oriented, AND it just so happens that they are permuted as well, if you do COLL instead of OLL that would be an automatic PLL skip. Am I right? Would that work? You would only have to learn 7 new algorithms, which isn't bad at all.

So, some questions. What are the chances of running into a case where all edges are oriented and permuted? I'm assuming it's quite low. Has anybody here done this?

 

[piemaster]

I just did today, . I used to use fridrich and now use roux, so I just used CMLL. While I have reasonabletimes for it, too bad I couldn't get it on video, I got 23.45 seconds.

 

[Sa967St]

If you're doing OLL and notice that you have one of the seven cases where all edges are correctly oriented, AND it just so happens that they are permuted as well, if you do COLL instead of OLL that would be an automatic PLL skip. Am I right? Would that work?

COLL algs don't necessarily keep the permutations of the edges.

You would only have to learn 7 new algorithms, which isn't bad at all.

no... unless you mean that all corners are permuted too.

 

[4Chan]

InB4 Zb method.

 

[jacob15728]

If you're doing OLL and notice that you have one of the seven cases where all edges are correctly oriented, AND it just so happens that they are permuted as well, if you do COLL instead of OLL that would be an automatic PLL skip. Am I right? Would that work?

COLL algs don't necessarily keep the permutations of the edges.

You would only have to learn 7 new algorithms, which isn't bad at all.

no... unless you mean that all corners are permuted too.

I thought COLL preserved edges and CMLL didn't

 

[4Chan]

If you're doing OLL and notice that you have one of the seven cases where all edges are correctly oriented, AND it just so happens that they are permuted as well, if you do COLL instead of OLL that would be an automatic PLL skip. Am I right? Would that work?

COLL algs don't necessarily keep the permutations of the edges.

You would only have to learn 7 new algorithms, which isn't bad at all.

no... unless you mean that all corners are permuted too.

I thought COLL preserved edges and CMLL didn't

I use full COLL, and she said permutation and it doesnt.

It preserves orientation.

 

[miniGOINGS]

Umm, wouldn't it be more effective to learn ELL algs, just incase the corners were correctly oriented and permuted?

 

[qqwref]

COLL preserves only the orientation of edges, so most COLL algs will mess up edge permutation. In addition there are about 40 COLLs to learn, not 7...

There is, however, a set of algorithms that you can use to solve the last layer in one step if the edges are all solved. It's not all that easy to learn - there are even more algorithms than COLL (Michal Hordecki lists 84 cases for this) - but it's probably pretty useful if you are lucky enough to get the edges solved. (Incidentally, if the edges are not solved, most of the time you can solve them with a simple Sune, so this might actually be a reasonable way to do the last layer.)

 

[jcuber]

I sometimes do this if I get a case where the OLL is headlights and the PLL is the one that is solved by the standard 4x4 DP alg, so therefore it is a PLL skip.

 

[piemaster]

If you're doing OLL and notice that you have one of the seven cases where all edges are correctly oriented, AND it just so happens that they are permuted as well, if you do COLL instead of OLL that would be an automatic PLL skip. Am I right? Would that work?

COLL algs don't necessarily keep the permutations of the edges.

You would only have to learn 7 new algorithms, which isn't bad at all.

no... unless you mean that all corners are permuted too.

I thought COLL preserved edges and CMLL didn't

But I just did the solve...:fp

 

[Sa967St]

But I just did the solve...:fp

:fp
explain please...

 

[*LukeMayn*]

sometime in F2L you can make blocks on the top purposfully for an easy OLL/OLL skip.

 

[enigmahack]

I see what you're going for... but it's not quite going to work that way.

I agree with what Sa967St said - it'll keep orientation, but not permutation. The best it'll do by learning all COLL is help your recognition time for the PLL on your edges, because you'll have an idea of what case will show up before you're done your COLL alg.

*I've been learning COLL expressly for this reason, though it'll definitely help with my 2x2 as well for now*

My thinking is that if I can get comfortable with COLL enough, not only can you predict which edge perm you'll have to use, but you can almost perform it in 1 giant step, like 1 big alg for your last layer.

I don't know how practical it is, but I think the idea is pretty simple, so while I'm learning COLL, I'm going to be attempting to learn to recognize edge PLL's based on the COLL I'm looking at.

 

[calekewbs]

hybrid method!!! lol you have fun with that. I think I'm just gonna stick to freidrich. lol

 

[*LukeMayn*]

hybrid method!!! lol you have fun with that. I think I'm just gonna stick to freidrich. lol

wow, what's that? I think I'll stick with the Fridrich method

 

[calekewbs]

:fp lol nice one char. lol

yeah I pronounce it freed-rick so that is how I thought it was spelled right off the top of my head. lol I'm tired!