[Unofficial] Dennis Strehlau - 5/5 Multi BLD - 10:34.23 mins

[DennisStrehlau]

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M2/old pochmann

Have fun,

Dennis

 

[qqwref]

I think you can stackmat this

You still use Classic Pochmann? You should consider learning BH or TuRBo, I bet you could save a significant amount of time on execution.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

I think you can stackmat this

You still use Classic Pochmann? You should consider learning BH or TuRBo, I bet you could save a significant amount of time on execution.

Hey Michael.
Yes, i still use old pochmann for corners. And i think about switching for a long time now because i know, that i could get so much faster in MULTI or single BLD just by learning a new execution method.
But i just dont know wich method i should learn.
Do you think, that i should stay with M2? Or do you think, that i should learn a new method for edges AND corners? What is TuRBo or BH? I have absolutely NO idea. I just know the names. What is the basic method? In 2 or 3 sentences..

Thanks so much, Dennis

 

[qqwref]

TuRBo = Use a fixed buffer, and solve 3-cycles by setting the other to pieces up to fixed places and then applying an algorithm. So you need a 3-cycle for every possible cycle those 3 pieces (e.g. UF, UR, UL) could be in.
BH = Use a fixed buffer, and solve 3-cycles directly without setups with move-optimal commutators. So you need to learn an algorithm for every possible 3-cycle on the cube where one piece is your buffer. Fortunately a lot of those algorithms are very similar and you can turn letter pairs directly into memorized sequences.
Freestyle? = Solve 3-cycles by making up commutators on the fly.
3-style?/what a lot of fast people use = Same as BH, but with speed-optimal algs.

I think M2 is pretty fast, certainly faster than Classic Pochmann, but still not the fastest method. Once you switch your corner method, you may want to switch your edge method too, to save a little more time You'll have to see how you feel after getting used to the new corner method.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

Thanks a lot Michael!
I will go through some tutorials and see what i like the most.
Yes, first of all i would learn another corner method.
I think that this could save the most time.
I just hate switching methods because in the beginning, you are so much slower ..

I think TuRBo is interesting. I like the fact solving in "pairs" because i also memorize that way. I would like to know how fast you can be with M2/TuRBo corners and how fast with TuRBo edges/TuRBo corners?!

Greetings, Dennis

 

[Noahaha]

I think TuRBo is interesting. I like the fact solving in "pairs" because i also memorize that way. I would like to know how fast you can be with M2/TuRBo corners and how fast with TuRBo edges/TuRBo corners?!

Greetings, Dennis

Turbo edges are not much faster than M2 edges, so I think corners should be a priority. Don't be afraid to go right for BH though. Turbo corners aren't great.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

Turbo edges are not much faster than M2 edges, so I think corners should be a priority. Don't be afraid to go right for BH though. Turbo corners aren't great.

Ok. I dont like to switch to a new method for edges right now. Because i would have to practise a lot and in the end, i might be 2 seconds faster because i am quiet fast with M2..
I am also quiet fast with OP corners, but there are just WAY TO MANY turns..
So you would say BH? I understand TuRBo after looking at it for 1 minute. But what about BH? Should i learn ALL these algorithms?!

Greetings, Dennis

 

[DrKorbin]

M2 in my opinion is approximately as fast as TuRBo. So you shouldn't switch to TuRBo.
However, there is a tweak for M2, Zane Carney shows it in his youtube channel.
If you think BH is too big (well, it is), you can just learn algs for UBL>RDF>*, and for other cases do 1 or 2 setup moves.
Then learn UBL>DRF>* and UBL>FDR>*, now you can do just 1 setup move.
Then learn more and more cases, in parts.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

You can just learn algs for UBL>RDF>*, and for other cases do 1 or 2 setup moves.
Then learn UBL>DRF>* and UBL>FDR>*, now you can do just 1 setup move.
Then learn more and more cases, in parts.

But isnt this a bit like TuRBo corners then?

Dennis

 

[cuber952]

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[DennisStrehlau]

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GREAT!

and true :fp

Dennis

 

[Henrik]

This might be helpful for BH: (Same buffer as OP)

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub...NkxUbWp0UGlLdXc&single=true&gid=0&output=html

You should got to EC in Poland in 1½ months time! that would be awesome.

I think its strange that you don't know TuRBo (The Ruling Blind Method) Since its been around for ages and Erik Akkersdijk named it. hm

 

[rock1313]

5/5 in 10 and a half minutes is crazy fast!

 

[DennisStrehlau]

This might be helpful for BH: (Same buffer as OP)

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub...NkxUbWp0UGlLdXc&single=true&gid=0&output=html

You should got to EC in Poland in 1½ months time! that would be awesome.

I think its strange that you don't know TuRBo (The Ruling Blind Method) Since its been around for ages and Erik Akkersdijk named it. hm

Well, i know the TuRBo method. I just wasnt sure. Erik told me about it, when he invented it. Even before i started learning M2. But i will only learn a new method for corners at the moment. I just dont know wich one yet. I want to solve 2 corners at a time. So i think TuRBo is the best for me. But i have to think about all the setup moves and i hope i can do them, without thinking too much. Since there is only one corner to watch with OP..
How can you learn ALL the algs for BH method?? I dont get it..
I will come to EC. I will register totady Looking forward to see you all again!

Greetings, Dennis

5/5 in 10 and a half minutes is crazy fast!

Thanks

Greetings, Dennis

 

[Sebastien]

I really doubt that Turbo Edges can be significantly faster then M2. The move count is just slightly lower but the setup moves require more thinking. So you are completely right not considring learning this as new method for edges Dennis!

Most people doing BH don't learn algorithms. All these cases are just commutators, so they are basically intuitive and there are lot's of subgroups being very similar.

If you want to learn a new method you can just go ahead and learn Turbo, as these are a subset of BH anyway.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

I really doubt that Turbo Edges can be significantly faster then M2. The move count is just slightly lower but the setup moves require more thinking. So you are completely right not considring learning this as new method for edges Dennis!

Most people doing BH don't learn algorithms. All these cases are just commutators, so they are basically intuitive and there are lot's of subgroups being very similar.

If you want to learn a new method you can just go ahead and learn Turbo, as these are a subset of BH anyway.

Yes, i also think that way about the edges.


Ah ok. I couldnt imagine to memorize hundreds of algorithms
So you think, that its ok to learn TuRBo corners, even if i want to learn BH corners in the future, right? Because these are just 18 cases of BH (+ setup moves), right?


Thanks, Dennis

 

[Ickathu]

At this speed you could do 28 in an hour. How many do you think you could do even if you slow down some as time goes on? 20? 25?
As for BH, you should just start trying to incorporate commutators into your solves, or do a solve session where all of your 3BLD solves you only use comms, and slowly switch over. I'm just now starting to use some comms for my edges. I'm already almost using all commutators on corners, but there are some cases that I would just need some weird setup moves and cube rotations to use, so I don't do comms for those yet.
Check out Noahaha's guide for switching to BH if you haven't already.

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

It's nice to see that you're still cubing.

 

[Sebastien]

So you think, that its ok to learn TuRBo corners, even if i want to learn BH corners in the future, right?

exactly.

 

[DennisStrehlau]

At this speed you could do 28 in an hour. How many do you think you could do even if you slow down some as time goes on? 20? 25?
As for BH, you should just start trying to incorporate commutators into your solves, or do a solve session where all of your 3BLD solves you only use comms, and slowly switch over. I'm just now starting to use some comms for my edges. I'm already almost using all commutators on corners, but there are some cases that I would just need some weird setup moves and cube rotations to use, so I don't do comms for those yet.
Check out Noahaha's guide for switching to BH if you haven't already.

I dont know. I think i can do 20 cubes blindfolded sub 1 hour. I did 10 cubes blindfolded some days ago and needed 25 minutes, wich means about 50 minutes for 20. But i have to check more memo, so it would take some more minutes. But sub 1 hour is possible i would say. Even with my "slower" execution method M2/OP

Greetings, Dennis

It's nice to see that you're still cubing.

Thanks I never gave up cubing, but i didnt do any MULTI BLD or big cubes BLD for like one year..
But i want to do one big cube BLD or one MULTI BLD (at least 5 cubes) a week.. And i do some averages and image training every day..

Greetings, Dennis

exactly.

Thank you so much. This makes it more easy for me to start with TuRBo because i thought it might be stupid to learn a new method now, if i want to learn BH or whatever in the future anyway..

Greetings, Dennis