[Official] [3x3BLD] Marcin Zalewski 23.91 & 28.88 and Grzegorz Jałocha 30.35

[BillyRain]

(And other solves by Marcin and Grzegorz Jałocha)

23.91 starts at 3:24.

 

[mycube]

Bad reaction, nearly like after the WR

 

[antoineccantin]

Bad reaction, nearly like after the WR

Why so?

Really fast execution!

 

[Roman]

Isn't it unacceptably to let competitors see how others solve the cube from actual scramble? It can allow them to see scrambled cube before their solve, obviously.

 

[Noahaha]

This is the kind of solve that makes me practice for hours and then cry myself to sleep.

Why so?

Distracts other competitors.

 

[BillyRain]

Isn't it unacceptably to let competitors see how others solve the cube from actual scramble? It can allow them to see scrambled cube before their solve, obviously.

You could say this about every single event....

 

[Sajwo]

Isn't it unacceptably to let competitors see how others solve the cube from actual scramble? It can allow them to see scrambled cube before their solve, obviously.

of course it is acceptable

 

[BillyRain]

of course it is acceptable

Well no, it's not acceptable. But it's unavoidable.

3x3 finalists during a 2 at a time final can easily look across to the other cubers table and watch him complete the solve before he solves the same scramble.

 

[Roman]

You could say this about every single event....

Yes, I can. But I give a damn about not-BLD events.
I just think it plays critical role at 3BLD, especially when competitors are sitting so close to each other.
Despite all this, that was a great solve, congratulatios Marcin!

 

[Tim Major]

Did he see someone else get a really fast time before his solve? It seems like he saw someone get a super fast solve (maybe a 40 for someone who averages 60) so then he focused especially hard and rushed the memo. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Regardless, it is extremely impressive and definitely motivation to get better :tu

 

[XTowncuber]

tbh, I don't really care if he somehow managed to use his view of the other competitors to his advantage. It's not even his comp PB.

 

[Rubiks560]

I feel another controversy coming on.... -_-

That whole solve was insane. I loved watching the memo.

 

[Noahaha]

Knowing that a scramble is going to be easy is often a double edged sword. It's not as simple as just rushing memo. If rushing memo gets you a faster solve, why wouldn't you do it on every solve? If rushing makes you less accurate, why would you do it on an easy scramble?

When I see someone get a fast time for them before I do my solves, I get more nervous and more likely to mess up. That's why I usually go first

 

[Tim Major]

Noah I 100% agree. Especially on the third scramble, you'd likely go fast anyway. It'd be a little different if someone went from "always safe first solve" to rushing the first solve due to the solves of others. I didn't want to take away from his ridiculous solve.

 

[Rubiks560]

What Noah said. At UIUC I was forced to go last for 2x2 and everyone was getting really fast times (slowish people too) and then when it was finally my turn I was so nervous to solve resulting in a massive fail.

 

[DrKorbin]

Knowing that a scramble is going to be easy is often a double edged sword.

Roman pointed not that Marcin could know about easy scramble, but he could actually see it because he seated near Grzegorz.

If Marcin didn't peep, everything is ok. If he did, he must be banned!111!11!!!!

 

[Roman]

I don't really care if he somehow managed to use his view of the other competitors to his advantage.

Of course you don't, you have no chances on 3BLD WR. Could you answer this question outside the context:
What if someone shift you down from the second place (pyraminx avg) and you find out he used same (or other) thing to his advantage? Will you care then?
I suck at 3BLD too, I just want competitions to be fare. Judges should not allow competitors do things like that.

 

[XTowncuber]

Of course you don't, you have no chances on 3BLD WR. Could you answer this question outside the context:
What if someone shift you down from the second place (pyraminx avg) and you find out he used same (or other) thing to his advantage? Will you care then?
I suck at 3BLD too, I just want competitions to be fare. Judges should not allow competitors do things like that.

Yes, I will care, however the situation you are suggesting is not comparable because 23.91 is not Marcin's competition PB.

 

[Ollie]

I feel like there was extra focus on Marcin's final solve as well. Which doesn't make much sense as Grzegorz DNFed in a slower time, including a slower memo time (which doesn't indicate a fast scramble in itself.)

However, he could have got some sort of 'signal' right before his final solve. The thumbs up from someone else (another competitor perhaps?) or a obvious glance from another person prior to the fast solve suggests so?

I can also admit that I watched Noah's fast times in the Cambridge Open 2013 and listened to the reactions of two different US NRs in order to predict (and thus) get my own NRs. (They have been beaten since without assistance.)

I still think that Marcin's solve was legal, and that it was a skillful solve, but alas. An advantage could have easily been presented.

 

[Tim Major]

Yes, I will care, however the situation you are suggesting is not comparable because 23.91 is not Marcin's competition PB.

I don't like this reasoning. Cheating should be banned even if it doesn't affect standings.