Possibility of 8x8 becoming an official event?

[Ninja Storm]

What if we stagger the big cube competitions. Say, anyone can compete in 4x4 and 5x5-to compete in the main 6x6 event, your 5x5 single has to be below 1.30. To compete in the main 7x7event, your 6x6 has to be below 2.30. Or something like this, making sure that slow solvers are not in the main event, but have to fit in their solves independently (w/ judge of course) at a time they are free.

What if we... Keep things the same?

You have exactly 1 data point for 6x6 =P

 

[Hypocrism]

What if we... Keep things the same?

If everybody's complaining about the time taken for big cube events, then doing nothing is hardly a solution.

 

[Ninja Storm]

If everybody's complaining about the time taken for big cube events, then doing nothing is hardly a solution.

Well, limiting 7x7 to the top 25 6x6 solvers doesn't seem like a good solution. I simply don't see that being effective, or fair.

And who's "everybody"? I feel like there are a lot of people complaining about 8x8(which is reasonable), but 6x6 and 7x7 aren't too difficult to deal with in competition, and don't take huge amounts of time because of cutoffs and the mean of 3.

 

[Hypocrism]

Well, limiting 7x7 to the top 25 6x6 solvers doesn't seem like a good solution. I simply don't see that being effective, or fair.

And who's "everybody"? I feel like there are a lot of people complaining about 8x8(which is reasonable), but 6x6 and 7x7 aren't too difficult to deal with in competition, and don't take huge amounts of time because of cutoffs and the mean of 3.

I've just given those cutoffs as an example, it doesn't need to be that way, they can be slower or based on the times of people actually at the event (eg maximum 20 solvers in the main event, everyone else doing solves on their own time). It would allow the main event to be more rapid, exciting and watchable, while still allowing slower people to clock times in competition and have something to aim for: I think it makes a lot of sense. (Another note: if people think they've improved their times, they can attempt to prove it to the delegate/judge before the event, on their own time again, to compete in the main event.)

Also, I think people are complaining about the time taken for events. In the UKC discussion thread people wanted longer events, but weren't able to fit them into the schedule, mainly because big cubes take a long time. It was even proposed we didn't have them in the event. This solution would allow a greater breadth of events in the main timetable while allowing people to compete if they aren't of the standard which is most highly competitive.

 

[Ninja Storm]

I've just given those cutoffs as an example, it doesn't need to be that way, they can be slower or based on the times of people actually at the event (eg maximum 20 solvers in the main event, everyone else doing solves on their own time). It would allow the main event to be more rapid, exciting and watchable, while still allowing slower people to clock times in competition and have something to aim for: I think it makes a lot of sense. (Another note: if people think they've improved their times, they can attempt to prove it to the delegate/judge before the event, on their own time again, to compete in the main event.)

Also, I think people are complaining about the time taken for events. In the UKC discussion thread people wanted longer events, but weren't able to fit them into the schedule, mainly because big cubes take a long time. It was even proposed we didn't have them in the event. This solution would allow a greater breadth of events in the main timetable while allowing people to compete if they aren't of the standard which is most highly competitive.

We already have cutoffs, though. It's simply on a competition by competition basis. There are lenient cutoffs at competitions who have plenty of time, and harsher cutoffs at big competitions, such as national championships.

Trying to have 4 or five people do 7x7 solves with the delegate watching each one seems like it would waste more time than it would save.

I don't see how the example works. The only way to not have these events at UKC is to remove them from the WCA list? Why not just not do them?

 

[Hypocrism]

We already have cutoffs, though. It's simply on a competition by competition basis. There are lenient cutoffs at competitions who have plenty of time, and harsher cutoffs at big competitions, such as national championships.

Trying to have 4 or five people do 7x7 solves with the delegate watching each one seems like it would waste more time than it would save.

I don't see how the example works. The only way to not have these events at UKC is to remove them from the WCA list? Why not just not do them?

I didn't say to remove them from the WCA list of competitions!

 

[Yellowsnow98]

The only way that 8x8 could become official is if we only let world class people do it and make it best of 1.

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And I'll make 7x7 cutoff before that happens

 

[elrog]

but then I would never compete in 7x7

6x6/7x7 do add a small amount of extra knowledge to 5x5, but not very much at all (commutators on centres for example). I can certainly see arguments, particularly from comp organizers for it's removal.

This is true and it is why I think that the 6x6 and 7x7 are tolerable. But the 8x8 and 9x9 are just ridiculous. No knowledge is gained from learning to solve one because the 6x6 and 7x7 already have the extra centers.

 

[Ninja Storm]

This is true and it is why I think that the 6x6 and 7x7 are tolerable. But the 8x8 and 9x9 are just ridiculous. No knowledge is gained from learning to solve one because the 6x6 and 7x7 already have the extra centers.

MOAR OBLIQUES

I think it's more about time than difficulty, when it comes to those. It's quite hard(for most people) to get a 8x8 within reasonable cutoff range(7:00), let alone a 9x9.

 

[Deleted member 19792]

8x8 can take quite long. There are a small group of people that can sub 10, 9, 8, and VERY FEW than can sub 7.

Scrambling would be a bit hectic.

The amount of interest in certain areas is varied.

I would not see it becoming an event. Just like people did with 15puzzle when I tried to request it ;P

We still need that event called Lunch.

 

[Hays]

The only way that 8x8 could become official is if we only let world class people do it and make it best of 1.

Spoiler

And I'll make 7x7 cutoff before that happens

And even then I wouldn't really want to do it.