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Round 2, solve 5, heat 12 (or whatever the fast one was).

Obviously it's too late to do anything about this particular case, but is that sufficient evidence to prove I didn't twist the corner?

I didn't see any corner twists in it, but I also didn't look at it slowed down.
 

Round 2, solve 5, heat 12 (or whatever the fast one was).

Obviously it's too late to do anything about this particular case, but is that sufficient evidence to prove I didn't twist the corner?

3x3 one-handed Round 2 Group C

L2 U2 D F' U R' L' D' L' F L2 B2 R' F2 L D2 R2 F2 R (+ z2 y for the orientation under the cover)

You can tell right from the start that as the cover is lifted up that the UBR corner is twisted clockwise.

http://i.imgur.com/FFzAw5x.png
 

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theZcuber's point is worthless.

janelle perfectly proved a misscramble, though not necessarily that the start state is invalid (in the sense of unsolvable by normal turns), but that can easily be seen even without knowing the supposed scramble by checking the white/yellow stickers of the corners (unless one claims that Antoine twisted a corner while inspecting the cube).
 
This has never been the case, I've been twisting back corners since 2008 and nobody has ever DNF'd me for that. Rule 5b3c is simply a clarification.

The old regulations were very unclear about corner twists. Although not technically outlawed, we had:
5b1) If a competitor chooses to repair the puzzle, then he must only repair the defective pieces, and must not use pieces of other puzzles. Penalty: disqualification of the solve.
5b3) If after repairing the puzzle, but still during the solve, the competitor notices that the puzzle is unsolvable, he may disassemble and assemble max. 3 pieces to make the puzzle solvable again.

These were taken from the 2008 version of the regulations (in essence the same as 2010).
Now 5b1 was clearly written in respect to pieces popping or caps falling off the puzzle. There is no guideline to indicate what should be done if a corner twists. Then 5b3 states that to repair a puzzle (if unsolvable) it must be disassembled and reassembled correctly. Naturally, twisting a corner is not disassembling the puzzle to repair it. I believe this is why I was originally taught by someone in California (I cannot remember who) that corner twisting was illegal, and therefore I enforced it as such.

The new regulations make it clear that corners twists are fine.

So if a mistake happens, it's totally not the fault of the person handling the puzzle? I shall remember that when we talk about removing +2 again.

Darn you Sarah, stop making my life difficult...

*damage control* The rule of thumb that I have always applied is this: If you choose to use a puzzle that is prone to defects such as corner twists or caps falling off etc. etc. then it is the fault of the competitor for using a vulnerable puzzle. Therefore, as Sarah said, unless there is clear proof that a scrambler has deliberately sabotaged a puzzle, it is the competitors responsibility to ensure their puzzle is solvable before starting the timer. If they can show it isn't solvable before starting the timer then it's simple enough to give them a new scramble. If they get into the solve and realise it isn't solvable, then they just have to deal with it.

NOTE: This is the same logic I apply to the +2 rule in response to the "it turned by itself" argument; that is, if your cube is so loose that it can turn by itself upon being placed on the stackmat, then it's the competitors fault for using such a loose cube and then throwing it down to stop the timer.


At the end of the day, people aren't perfect. Although scramblers are meant to ensure every cube has been scrambled perfectly, some things will still be overlooked, such as a twisted corner. These things could be avoided entirely if competitors were more careful about their choice of hardware. While the WCA is in it's current state, everyone has to work together to make things happen. Thus, if a competitor chooses to be difficult and use a cube which is horribly loose and vulnerable to defects, they have to accept responsibility for that choice, and the consequences that could arise from it. When staff start getting paid for their manual labour, then we'll start thinking about perfecting the systems :p
 
5b3) If after repairing the puzzle, but still during the solve, the competitor notices that the puzzle is unsolvable, he may disassemble and assemble max. 3 pieces to make the puzzle solvable again.
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Then 5b3 states that to repair a puzzle (if unsolvable) it must be disassembled and reassembled correctly.

"may" is not the same as "must" (and 5b3 btw speaks about doing that *after* repairing, not *to* repair).

Darn you Sarah, stop making my life difficult...

Tee hee hee :D

unless there is clear proof that a scrambler has deliberately sabotaged a puzzle

There's deliberate, and there's sloppy. Like you said, people aren't perfect. And corner twists can happen even with a good puzzle (happened with mine, and they're not at all horribly loose).
 
...The rule of thumb that I have always applied is this: If you choose to use a puzzle that is prone to defects such as corner twists or caps falling off etc. etc. then it is the fault of the competitor for using a vulnerable puzzle. Therefore, as Sarah said, unless there is clear proof that a scrambler has deliberately sabotaged a puzzle, it is the competitors responsibility to ensure their puzzle is solvable before starting the timer. If they can show it isn't solvable before starting the timer then it's simple enough to give them a new scramble. If they get into the solve and realise it isn't solvable, then they just have to deal with it...

And how would a competitor see this within 15s while planning cross?
 
If you practice a little bit, it does take very little time to check if corner orientation is good or not, but it is unfair to expect competitors use up any amount of their inspection time to do this.
 
Assuming scramblers follow 4g as intended, there is no way that the competitor can blame a twisted corner during scrambling. I agree with Dene; it's the competitor's responsibility for having a vulnerable puzzle.

This said, is it feasible for scramblers to check every scrambled puzzle before sending it off to be solved, as far as time effectiveness/efficiency goes? With events like 2x2, 5x5-7x7, and 5BLD (and FMC ofc), puzzle "defects" like this are less bound to happen because of the physical capabilities of the puzzles. What then, if scramblers are told they are required to meticulously verify the scrambled state of every puzzle, despite the improbability of a defect like a corner twist from occurring? And then, what if the improbable through some twisted black magic manifests itself on a puzzle?
 

Ooh, excellent point! Since "the scrambler must verify that he has scrambled the puzzle correctly" and "If the puzzle state is wrong, he must correct it ", even if you blame a corner twist on the puzzle and thus the competitor, not verifying+correcting it is 100% the scrambler's fault who is explicitly obligated to do that.
 
So a competitor should be punished for using a puzzle that is tensioned to their liking if that preference happens to not be tight?

The competitor must assume responsibility for using a puzzle that is vulnerable to puzzle defects, by current regulation. If the competitor prefers his cube to be loose, then he should accept all responsibility for the puzzle defects he incurs. But to be fair, the scrambler must follow 4g and verify the puzzle is correctly scrambled before sending it to a timer station.

Ooh, excellent point!

I never before thought I'd hear these words. I'm touched. -wipes tear-
 
Assuming scramblers follow 4g as intended, there is no way that the competitor can blame a twisted corner during scrambling.
But we just proved that in my case it wasn't properly scrambled.

What then, if scramblers are told they are required to meticulously verify the scrambled state of every puzzle, despite the improbability of a defect like a corner twist from occurring? And then, what if the improbable through some twisted black magic manifests itself on a puzzle?
Well, 99% of the time you get a twisted corner, you can heard or feel that a corner has been twisted, so it's the scrambler's responsibility to resolve the puzzle and re-scramble it, or make sure that every piece of the puzzle is in fact properly scrambled.
 
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But we just proved that in my case it wasn't properly scrambled.


Well, 99% of the time you get a twisted corner, you can heard or feel that a corner has been twisted, so it's the scrambler's responsibility to resolve the puzzle and re-scramble it, or make sure that every piece of the puzzle is in fact solved.

Properly scrambled* perhaps?

You deserved another attempt simply because the scrambler didn't follow 4g. However, there's no way for the competitor to know if a cube is properly scrambled if it is indeed solvable, let alone checking that the puzzle is solvable during the inspection phase.

Again, actually following 4g, despite the supposable ineffective use of time, would eliminate errors in results.
 
But to be fair, the scrambler must follow 4g and verify the puzzle is correctly scrambled before sending it to a timer station.

And if 4g were actually followed perfectly, then I would accept this as a completely reasonable argument. Of course it's the competitors fault if he twists a corner of his own puzzle while solving, and when that happens it might be a sign that the cube is actually too loose for that cuber's turning style. But, as an example, Antoine was punished because the *scrambler* twisted a corner and did not fix it. It is the *scrambler's* responsibility to fix that, not the competitor's responsibility to verify during inspection that the scrambler didn't screw up.
 
And if 4g were actually followed perfectly, then I would accept this as a completely reasonable argument. Of course it's the competitors fault if he twists a corner of his own puzzle while solving, and when that happens it might be a sign that the cube is actually too loose for that cuber's turning style. But, as an example, Antoine was punished because the *scrambler* twisted a corner and did not fix it. It is the *scrambler's* responsibility to fix that, not the competitor's responsibility to verify during inspection that the scrambler didn't screw up.

^Agreed. Antoine deserved an extra attempt. Antoine also had the opportunity to dispute the judge's ruling to any delegate.
 
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