I can not endure Chris's lie.

[Johan444]

Are you trying to derail the discussion? Stop discuss the video.

Chris said stuff about Haiyan wich he later confessed he didn't know a thing about.

 

[Hai Yan Zhuang]

"I've already removed the part in question. I haven't seen the show mentioned, and shouldn't have relied on the statements of others regarding a situation as problematic as this. If what I said was not true, then I was misinformed, and will apologize to Haiyan.

What about other things.Is there any other things that is not truth you heard from others?Have you ever spreaded it over the world?
This is why I do not trust you.

 

[MrMoney]

To mr. Hai Yan Zhuang: I just want to applaud how well you have learned english the last year, your improvement is very good. I have been a fan of yours for a long time, you got me interested in BLD and now I average around 2min.

I really hope you try to have a dialogue with the WCA, that would be the best thing for cubing around the world. Please try to see that you are a reason to this problem, please resolve it. Noone else here has ever had problems with the WCA.

We need you to be a good man as you are a good cuber.

 

[CitricAcid]

The only way we are going to resolve this whole controversy with the TV show that is being talked about is for a link to an uncut video of the show, and whoever is right, is right. As for the whole thing with Haiyan getting banned, etc. Haiyan should apologize. Even IF the WCA blew it out of proportion (which I do not believe happened) Haiyan still was obnoxious in the competition, and that could disrupt people who are solving. So Mr. Haiyan, simply apologize, do your time, and come back and be a great competitor in BLD.

 

[ElectricDoodie]

The only way we are going to resolve this whole controversy with the TV show that is being talked about is for a link to an uncut video of the show, and whoever is right, is right. As for the whole thing with Haiyan getting banned, etc. Haiyan should apologize. Even IF the WCA blew it out of proportion (which I do not believe happened) Haiyan still was obnoxious in the competition, and that could disrupt people who are solving. So Mr. Haiyan, simply apologize, do your time, and come back and be a great competitor in BLD.

This. So, until then, no one should make false accusations or assumptions, on something no one here probably saw.

 

[onionhoney]

"I've already removed the part in question. I haven't seen the show mentioned, and shouldn't have relied on the statements of others regarding a situation as problematic as this. If what I said was not true, then I was misinformed, and will apologize to Haiyan.

What about other things.Is there any other things that is not truth you heard from others?Have you ever spreaded it over the world?
This is why I do not trust you.

lol. He will apologize to you ,but you never apologize to anybody.
This is why we do not trust you.

 

[Crazycubemom]

Hay Yan, you are my Idol.
I have much respect on you, you've been in my country just to compete with all Indonesian Bld Cubers. I've never seen you in real but your courage and fight till you able to compete at Indonesian Champs 2010 I can see your motivation with bld. I know its not easy from your country to go to another country just for Rubik's Cube competition.....

I wish you good luck and be strong with all situations

from 1 of your BIG fan's forever.

 

[deadalnix]

You are totaly out of this topic.

Nobody is saying that Haiyan is cheating or whatever. We all know that he's damn good at bld. This have nothing to do with what we are talking about.

 

[Crazycubemom]

I have no his Facebook, so from here I can say Hello to him .... Ni Hao?

 

[ocg42=YJ]

As to me, during the whole issue(until now), Zhuang is always finding for supporters rather than evidence. In this matter, Chris did make some mistakes, but he made appologize as soon as he realized it. But Zhuang tries to convince us that Chris's words and deeds throughout the issue were unfair because of these mistakes, but it makes no sense.
As onionhoney said,"He(Chris) will apologize to you(Zhuang), but you never apologize to anybody.This is why we do not trust you." Through the issue Zhuang hardly made any real apology to anybody. Zhuang tried to divide people into two groups that one supported him and another did not. And he sought for absolute(I can't sure that this word is accurate) support. But he hardly reply for questions that may demonstrate his fault. This is a traditional way for chinese to defend himself when he makes fault and do not want to admit.
That's a view of a normal, non-benefit-related chinese player.

 

[nck]

As to me, during the whole issue(until now), Zhuang is always finding for supporters rather than evidence. In this matter, Chris did make some mistakes, but he made appologize as soon as he realized it. But Zhuang tries to convince us that Chris's words and deeds throughout the issue were unfair because of these mistakes, but it makes no sense.
As onionhoney said,"He(Chris) will apologize to you(Zhuang), but you never apologize to anybody.This is why we do not trust you." Through the issue Zhuang hardly made any real apology to anybody. Zhuang tried to divide people into two groups that one supported him and another did not. And he sought for absolute(I can't sure that this word is accurate) support. But he hardly reply for questions that may demonstrate his fault. This is a traditional way for chinese to defend himself when he makes fault and do not want to admit.
That's a view of a normal, non-benefit-related chinese player.

wut
If I stuff up I then I would apologize. It all depends on a person's pride and ego and not Chinese traditions.
From the way I was brought up, I think avoiding the question is the worst possible way of defending one's self.

 

[Stefan]

Thanks mods for deleting several "gtfo" and similar posts. Effing unreasonable haters. I don't know much about the general issue with Haiyan (have read only what was published), but I looked a bit into this one right here.

I think it's worth noting that Haiyan appeared on a Guiness-style TV show in early 2009 and solved, claiming a new BLD world record. It wasn't until afterward that an audience member revealed that after several DNFs, he was given a scramble to practice before solving. I am aware of the pressures of television, and that producers can have unreasonable demands, but I think this is worth considering relative to the current situation

"Guiness-style" sounds like it's some clone show. But there's Guinness all over the place. The host carries a folder with the GWR logo, so does the judge who also wears it as a button. It's in the audience, it's on the certificate, and the judge says "Guinness world record". Also, r_517's quote below. Looks to me like it *was* a GWR show.

"early 2009"? The video was posted early 2010 and r_517 posted this a month later:

BLD Guinness World Record 35.66s by Haiyan Zhuang :
Former record was set by Danyang Chen with 41.16s.
Video: http://www.56.com/u23/v_NDkxMzM3NTY.html
Regulation:
1. A new Rubik's Cube
2. Scrambled for 40 moves.
3. At most 10 Minutes' observation time before starting.
He just broke it 1-2 months ago, if I remembered correctly. I don't know why there was no news on the Guinness' official site, but I'm sure it is the new BLD Guinness World Record. (The Channel CCTV3 corporates with Guinness every year in order to bring convenience for people in China breaking and setting Guinness Record) The Guinness representative was Marco Frigatti.

I think one year does make a significant difference.

"after several DNFs, he was given a scramble to practice before solving"? Several DNFs? With practically unlimited memorization time? And then after practice, he only gets 35.66 execution? Seems slow for him. And why would he practice, anyway?

"an audience member revealed". Way too strong language, in my opinion, I'd find "an audience member claimed" much more appropriate, especially considering the above issues. You did write Haiyan "claiming a new BLD world record", after all. Which, as far as I can tell, he didn't even do. It was a Guinness world record, I didn't see any claim of a world record (you don't think that's the same, do you?).

"I think this is worth considering relative to the current situation". Why? Even if it's true, what does it matter? We all know Guinness is laughable, the media distorts, and as far as I can tell, he wasn't accused of peeking or so. The TV show possibly hiding DNF attempts, cutting the memo time, letting practice... even if that's true I'm not shocked at all and I don't see what it's supposed to tell about Haiyan. I'd still call it a legitimate blindsolve, just not a WCA-type one.

Again, these are just my thoughts/findings about this particular issue, not about the Haiyan situation as a whole. Don't know much about that, though I do believe the WCA is doing its best to handle it in a proper and fair manner, trying to do what's best for cubing and its community.

 

[r_517]

"early 2009"? The video was posted early 2010 and r_517 posted this a month later:

BLD Guinness World Record 35.66s by Haiyan Zhuang :
Former record was set by Danyang Chen with 41.16s.
Video: http://www.56.com/u23/v_NDkxMzM3NTY.html
Regulation:
1. A new Rubik's Cube
2. Scrambled for 40 moves.
3. At most 10 Minutes' observation time before starting.
He just broke it 1-2 months ago, if I remembered correctly. I don't know why there was no news on the Guinness' official site, but I'm sure it is the new BLD Guinness World Record. (The Channel CCTV3 corporates with Guinness every year in order to bring convenience for people in China breaking and setting Guinness Record) The Guinness representative was Marco Frigatti.

I think one year does make a significant difference.

still my point, i DO admit that he was, is and maybe will still be a good cuber, but he didn't behave like a good, polite man.

 

[Tyson]

Hay Yan, you are my Idol.
I have much respect on you, you've been in my country just to compete with all Indonesian Bld Cubers. I've never seen you in real but your courage and fight till you able to compete at Indonesian Champs 2010 I can see your motivation with bld. I know its not easy from your country to go to another country just for Rubik's Cube competition.....

I wish you good luck and be strong with all situations

from 1 of your BIG fan's forever.

Huge win!

Regarding Stefan, yes... there have been a number of TV shows, and other events that do "Guinness" records. I contacted Guinness 6 years ago and when they told me you had to use a cube that was fresh from the packaging, I knew that they had no idea what they were talking about and that it was all a publicity stunt to improve their brand name, sell books, TV shows, and just make money. They really don't care about the accuracy of their records, or what the records mean.

Let's see... not only did you have to use a cube fresh from the packaging, but you had to have two cubes mixed up by "someone" and then you get to choose one... the entire thing was quite inane.

In any case though, this has nothing to do with anything really. There are too many "Guinness" attempts out there, and some of them, (I'm not saying this one) were done under very questionable conditions. So just take this for what it's worth... it's a variety show trying to get ratings and piggy-backing off the "Guinness" name.

Isn't that great Haiyan? You have an idol! YAY!

 

[Hai Yan Zhuang]

Hi Tyson ,what you want say is that Guinness world record worth nothing. But what I say is Chris lie. He create a rumor. He have agreed he lie.How about you think of his lie???

Isn't that great Tyson? You ignore the lie.You are a real genius!!!!!YAY!!!

 

[qqwref]

The only way we are going to resolve this whole controversy with the TV show that is being talked about is for a link to an uncut video of the show, and whoever is right, is right.

You're not going to get more than what was seen on TV. If there was anything not legit and it wasn't revealed until an audience member spoke up, the only way to find out for sure would be to contact the studio and ask them for the original unedited footage. Good luck with that! :tu:rolleyes:

 

[kutuan]

Hi Tyson ,what you want say is that Guinness world record worth nothing. But what I say is Chris lie. He create a rumor. He have agreed he lie.How about you think of his lie???

Isn't that great Tyson? You ignore the lie.You are a real genius!!!!!YAY!!!

chill out dude

chris "lie" maybe not a right term, i prefer "accusing without evidence"

 

[Tyson]

Hi Tyson ,what you want say is that Guinness world record worth nothing. But what I say is Chris lie. He create a rumor. He have agreed he lie.How about you think of his lie???

Isn't that great Tyson? You ignore the lie.You are a real genius!!!!!YAY!!!

Because the Guinness record *IS* worth nothing. I'm quite confident I've had more experience dealing with Guinness officials than most people here. I've seen how they do things and I know the record is worthless. It's about publicity, and not about cubing.

What do I think about this lie? I don't think anything of it. It doesn't matter. You're picking up on one very small facet of this issue. This doesn't change the bigger picture of who you are and what you've done. Focusing on this lie is ignoring the big elephant in the room... the big elephant named Haiyan.

And his NUMBER ONE FAN because you are an IDOL OH YAY!

Seriously though, stop trying to distract people from the real issue. These small things don't change who you are. These small things don't suddenly make you right. They don't absolve you of everything you've done.

 

[shelley]

As to me, during the whole issue(until now), Zhuang is always finding for supporters rather than evidence. In this matter, Chris did make some mistakes, but he made appologize as soon as he realized it. But Zhuang tries to convince us that Chris's words and deeds throughout the issue were unfair because of these mistakes, but it makes no sense.
As onionhoney said,"He(Chris) will apologize to you(Zhuang), but you never apologize to anybody.This is why we do not trust you." Through the issue Zhuang hardly made any real apology to anybody. Zhuang tried to divide people into two groups that one supported him and another did not. And he sought for absolute(I can't sure that this word is accurate) support. But he hardly reply for questions that may demonstrate his fault. This is a traditional way for chinese to defend himself when he makes fault and do not want to admit.
That's a view of a normal, non-benefit-related chinese player.

wut
If I stuff up I then I would apologize. It all depends on a person's pride and ego and not Chinese traditions.
From the way I was brought up, I think avoiding the question is the worst possible way of defending one's self.

It's also worth noting that a previous investigation of a cheating incident involved a Chinese competitor, who publicly apologized and accepted having his records revoked.

 

[Crazycubemom]

Is it not allowed to have Idol's? I like Hai yan because his courage with bld that's all and visited my country.