2x2x2 Lucky Scrambles

[dannyz0r]

No that's chance.

 

[RyanO]

Can a roll of dice be considered "lucky"?

No.

Ahh. Thank you for spotting the proper distinction. It should be phrased "Can the OUTCOME of a roll of dice be considered "lucky"?. I will edit.

You should relate this to the issue we've been discussing. It's the outcome of the scramble, the solution, that can be lucky NOT the scramble.

 

[cincyaviation]

we are getting just a LITTLE off topic here

 

[joey]

we are getting just a LITTLE off topic here

Gotta do what ya gotta do.

 

[reThinking the Cube]

Ok.

I know every conceivable 2x2 method and can see the optimal solution maybe 9/10 times.

Therefore, 90% of scrambles I have are lucky.

Therefore, 90% of scrambles are lucky.

Are you on that list? If you had gotten one of the scrambles on that list, in a WCA event, would you now be on it? Or is that just your skill that is keeping you from posting a PB better than those?

 

[nlCuber22]

Ok.

I know every conceivable 2x2 method and can see the optimal solution maybe 9/10 times.

Therefore, 90% of scrambles I have are lucky.

Therefore, 90% of scrambles are lucky.

Are you on that list? If you had gotten one of the scrambles on that list, in a WCA event, would you now be on it? Or is that just your skill that is keeping you from posting a PB better than those?

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Do you know who you are talking to?
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[reThinking the Cube]

Can a roll of dice be considered "lucky"?

No.

Ahh. Thank you for spotting the proper distinction. It should be phrased "Can the OUTCOME of a roll of dice be considered "lucky"?. I will edit.

You should relate this to the issue we've been discussing. It's the outcome of the scramble, the solution, that can be lucky NOT the scramble.

But is it not a "lucky" occurrence to have gotten this in a WCA event? Not every event gets these "lucky" ones. Do you think I should refer to the event itself as "lucky"? What is wrong with a little luck?

 

[Escher]

Are you on that list? If you had gotten one of the scrambles on that list, in a WCA event, would you now be on it? Or is that just your skill that is keeping you from posting a PB better than those?

I am massively exaggerating in an attempt to show how ridiculous your logic is.
As far as I see it your assumption here is 'these are all sub 2, and therefore lucky', then trying to fit your definition of lucky around this assumption.

You seem to be saying that 'these scrambles were lucky for someone, therefore they can be called lucky', so you open yourself to obvious problems; what happens when somebody gets solves all the time that can be considered lucky (like forcing LL skips, or one look solves, or optimal solves)? You end up saying that every scramble is lucky, some more than others...
Of course the person in that situation would say that most scrambles aren't lucky unless they are 4 moves or less, but nearly every solve could still be 'considered' lucky by others.

EDIT: btw, there is nothing wrong with something being lucky, people aren't attacking you for that...

 

[reThinking the Cube]

Are you on that list? If you had gotten one of the scrambles on that list, in a WCA event, would you now be on it? Or is that just your skill that is keeping you from posting a PB better than those?

I am massively exaggerating in an attempt to show how ridiculous your logic is.

EDIT: btw, there is nothing wrong with something being lucky, people aren't attacking you for that...

My logic is flawless, and that is why you did not answer the questions. Your PB in comp is 3.50 (correct me if I am mistaken). I will ask you again - If you had gotten one of the scrambles on that list in an official WCA event,(pick the best one for yourself), would you also now have an officially recognized PB <2.0? I just don't see the problem with admitting that luck can play a part in speedcubing.

 

[moogra]

The thread started out nicely, but is sadly now epic fail. Rethinking the cube, I don't see where you're trying to go with this discussion.

Yes, the scramble from EPGY is correct.

 

[nlCuber22]

My logic is flawless [...] (correct me if I am mistaken)

You're mistaken.

 

[Muesli]

Are you on that list? If you had gotten one of the scrambles on that list, in a WCA event, would you now be on it? Or is that just your skill that is keeping you from posting a PB better than those?

I am massively exaggerating in an attempt to show how ridiculous your logic is.

EDIT: btw, there is nothing wrong with something being lucky, people aren't attacking you for that...

My logic is flawless, and that is why you did not answer the questions. Your PB in comp is 3.50 (correct me if I am mistaken). I will ask you again - If you had gotten one of the scrambles on that list in an official WCA event,(pick the best one for yourself), would you also now have an officially recognized PB <2.0? I just don't see the problem with admitting that luck can play a part in speedcubing.

Of course luck has something to do with speedcubing, but the scramble is random. I.E; the solve is the lucky thing, not the scramble. There are thousands of ways you could attack a scrambled cube, and it is blind chance as to which one you take. Any one of those approaches could result in a LL skip or an optimal solve.

 

[Escher]

My logic is flawless, and that is why you did not answer the questions. Your PB in comp is 3.50 (correct me if I am mistaken). I will ask you again - If you had gotten one of the scrambles on that list in an official WCA event,(pick the best one for yourself), would you also now have an officially recognized PB <2.0? I just don't see the problem with admitting that luck can play a part in speedcubing.

I didn't answer your questions because they mean nothing.
Did you not read what I just posted AT ALL?

I'm not ignoring the fact that luck can play a part at all, I welcome it. I practice different techniques on 2x2 specifically to make 'ordinary' scrambles 'lucky'.

And anyway, yes, I would get an official sub 2 if I had most or any of the scrambles in that list.

You accuse me of avoiding (irrelevant) questions specifically to avoid my criticisms.
If I'm wrong, at least grace me with an explanation?

 

[joey]

EDIT: btw, there is nothing wrong with something being lucky, people aren't attacking you for that...

My logic is flawless, and that is why you did not answer the questions. Your PB in comp is 3.50 (correct me if I am mistaken). I will ask you again - If you had gotten one of the scrambles on that list in an official WCA event,(pick the best one for yourself), would you also now have an officially recognized PB <2.0? I just don't see the problem with admitting that luck can play a part in speedcubing.

Lol.

 

[dannyz0r]

If your logic is flawless don't you think you would've won already?

 

[reThinking the Cube]

Of course luck has something to do with speedcubing, but the scramble is random. I.E; the solve is the lucky thing, not the scramble. There are thousands of ways you could attack a scrambled cube, and it is blind chance as to which one you take. Any one of those approaches could result in a LL skip or an optimal solve.

This is a logical contradiction. You are claiming that the part you have control over (the solve) can be lucky, but the part you don't have control over, and is random chance (the scramble) - cannot be lucky. Just post scrambles or be quiet now. All I care about is seeing the scrambles.

So, would it make you all happier if I made a new thread for the same request, but used a less "Luckophobic" title?

 

[reThinking the Cube]

EDIT: btw, there is nothing wrong with something being lucky, people aren't attacking you for that...

My logic is flawless, and that is why you did not answer the questions. Your PB in comp is 3.50 (correct me if I am mistaken). I will ask you again - If you had gotten one of the scrambles on that list in an official WCA event,(pick the best one for yourself), would you also now have an officially recognized PB <2.0? I just don't see the problem with admitting that luck can play a part in speedcubing.

Lol.

Thats right. LOL. Are the scrambles not a part of speedcubing?

 

[Muesli]

EDIT: btw, there is nothing wrong with something being lucky, people aren't attacking you for that...

My logic is flawless, and that is why you did not answer the questions. Your PB in comp is 3.50 (correct me if I am mistaken). I will ask you again - If you had gotten one of the scrambles on that list in an official WCA event,(pick the best one for yourself), would you also now have an officially recognized PB <2.0? I just don't see the problem with admitting that luck can play a part in speedcubing.

Lol.

Thats right. LOL. Are the scrambles not a part of speedcubing?

You keep asking to finish the discussion about easy scrambles then perpetuate it yourself! Learn when to stop arguing!

 

[Escher]

Thats right. LOL. Are the scrambles not a part of speedcubing?

You are a troll, I am done reading anything from this thread.

 

[Cride5]

You should relate this to the issue we've been discussing. It's the outcome of the scramble, the solution, that can be lucky NOT the scramble.

Qqwref hit the nail on the head earlier when he pointed out that a 'lucky' solve is clearly defined as one in which a stage is skipped. Scrambles per se are not lucky or unlucky until the solver tries to solve them. Without any context a scramble is just a scramble. If a scramble was designed to look pretty, then a scramble such as M2 E2 S2 would be considered 'lucky'. Its the context that's important. Here the context is solving, and a scramble is only 'lucky' for the solver if their particular solution skips a stage.