Stefan
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They told everybody that the cubes weren't properly randomly scrambled but set up in a special way, with scrambles pretty much all being the same? Are you sure?
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They told everybody that the cubes weren't properly randomly scrambled but set up in a special way, with scrambles pretty much all being the same? Are you sure?
Mollerz
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I don't understand what point you are trying to make.
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All the cubes were apparently scrambled the same (if you look at Stefan's picture). He's making a point that they didn't mention that, and made it sound like they were all differently scrambled.
Stefan
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I'm asking you whether they really did tell everybody that they didn't memorize 100 independently scrambled cubes but that they memorized only 1 solution and some scheme to make the scrambles look different. Because I don't understand Romanian and apparently you do.
I btw updated the picture from better spots.
theROUXbiksCube
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You can also see this because in the beginning they were the same scramble but in different orientations with x y or z random rotations to seem like each scramble was different, tricking the crowd.
Stefan
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No they weren't. Please don't water down the actual evidence with your fabrications.
theROUXbiksCube
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Sorry I dun goof'd on your amazing speculations.
(((But yeah, they were legit scrambled
i didn't see some patterns on the other side.
Stefan
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But yeah, they were legit scrambled
What the...? You just went from one wrong end to the opposite wrong end.
Mollerz
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To be honest I don't know, I don't speak Romanian, this is from information I have been given. Either way I don't think they need to disclose that information. Is the act solving 3 randomly chosen cubes from random scrambles, no, of course they prepared it, we know that, the public doesn't need to know it.
Stefan
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Well if they didn't say that but pretended the cubes to be properly scrambled, then I consider both your "They did not lie to anyone" and your "they tell everybody exactly what they are doing" to be wrong.
Btw, found them, they're actually pretty good speedsolvers, just not good blindsolvers:
https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=2012GLON01
https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=2013FRON01
https://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=2010LEAN02
Names from here.
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These are not members of OUR community, and if they are, they should be permanently banned. Cheating in front of an audience of thousands or millions of viewers is completely unacceptable and deals a huge amount of harm to speedcubing as a sport and an activity.
tseitsei
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No offense but I could easily do it if I was given a week ( or even a couple of days of preparation time)... Even if I had to do it with real random state scrambles and not cheating with different orientations like they did...
Their "feat" is a hoax designed to impress non-cubers. I hate that. That doesn't really take any real BLD solving skill. Period.
Also this is very good post that I agree with 100%:
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Stefan
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What's fake about it?
What memorizing? And why do you distinguish the three used ones from the rest? I have no doubt that they didn't know beforehand which cubes the judges would pick.
Here's another picture. I framed all cubes in that shot showing the same yellow+green+yellow middle stripe. You can also see that five of them additionally had that red+white+yellow stripe. But the third stripe was never the same. I suspect that all cubes were at most a handful of setup moves away from the one main scramble and that they used some simple rules for the setup moves.
Oh, I previously missed this as I didn't realize it's not a quote from this thread. Now I'm wondering what they said what was involved in the memorization of a rubik's cube and what it takes to memorize the information for 100 cubes.
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I agree with the second part, but I still think its harder than you think. Or maybe thats just me.
Now, there's evidence to support that they didnt even have 100 scrambles... So, yeah. Sorry
tseitsei
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Yeah.. They didn't have 100 different scrambles and even if they did... competent MBLD solver can memorize 20 cubes in an hour quite easily. So memorizing 100 random scrambles in a week is much easier than you actually think...
josh42732
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Oh my gosh, people we have the best community on the planet, and we are just throwing it away over some solves that may or may not have been fake. Regardless of mine or your position, we should not let a trick/feat tear us apart! Let's just not reply to this thread and forget about it altogether. They may have put a bad name to the cubing community and made fun of BLD solvers, but remember that we are here for each other and that they are too apart of this community and we should congratulate them on not making a fool out of themselves. I'm sorry MBLD solvers for being offended by this video, but there are people out there who do this kind of stuff. This instance just so happen to be viral, and be on T.V.
Nuster
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How did they realistically harm the cubing community(this one or any other)?
The public has no idea about proper vs fake BLD solves, in their eyes they are indistinguishable and equally incredible.
If this will bring more attention to speedcubing, why not? Ultimately, it's not like they were obligated in any way to adhere to WCA regulations for that show.
Whether or not to prepare those solves was their choice, and as actual speedcubers they didn't attempt to claim any official recognition from the WCA(or MBLD-ers).
The public has no idea about proper vs fake BLD solves, in their eyes they are indistinguishable and equally incredible.
If this will bring more attention to speedcubing, why not? Ultimately, it's not like they were obligated in any way to adhere to WCA regulations for that show.
Whether or not to prepare those solves was their choice, and as actual speedcubers they didn't attempt to claim any official recognition from the WCA(or MBLD-ers).
My only problem is that they didn't memorize 100 cubes like they presumably claimed. Instead, They scrabled 100 cubes the same way(probly their biggest accomplishment in this story) and then did a few setup moves matching each number(for example first digit is number of sexymove and second is number of hammerhead move to get back to the single scramble) making it super easy to go from a set-up to another or solving the cube. I dont think the cubing community will be affected negatively by that, but I am sure the judges would feel betrayed and be very disappointed that they give away so much money for a magic trick.
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