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Tymon Kolasinski's 4x4 time

The general consensus seems to be that Tymon Kolasinski accidentally executed a 3bld scramble on a 4x4. "L2 R2 D2 U' B2 D2 L2 F2 L2 F2 D R2 L' B' U' B' L2 U2 F2 L2 R2 Rw2 Uw'" is not a scramble that would ever give out for 4x4. Please do not add Tymon's 10.86 as a 4x4 UWR. If you wish to discuss this, please do so here and not in the article. Dancing jules (talk) 20:45, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

LMFAO who said he used a 3bld scramble, he said he checked it and it was legit. Don't say "the general consensus seems to be", when its just your opinion, im gonna add this time back until you stop.

Have you seen the facebook discussion? It's impossible. He may be lying, he may be in denial, but it IS IMPOSSIBLE! Dancing jules (talk) 20:52, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

I have seen the discussion. Again, he literally checked it. It isn't impossible.

Although the creator of cstimer did say it is technically possible tomgive out the scramble, I think removing the column was the best course of action, just like 3x3 single years ago. Galaxy

Should 3x3 UWR be tracked?

In my opinion, no. It's too controversial, like 2x2 single and ao5. There have been 8 sub-2.8 times that have been claimed by various people, most of these almost definitely fake, but me and the majority of people agree that the 2.82 is legit. Just removing it is the best course of action to stop the controversy. Now, I'm not saying the 2.88 is fake, not at all! If there's anyone you can trust, it's probably Max, just like nobody contests Patrick's 2.99: just that there is too much controversy, for the millionth time! For those who are curious, here are those mentioned sub-2.88 times.

Kim Roger Hoyland Larsen 2.82, Etienne Guay 2.82, Sameer Aggarwal 2.78, Vyacheslav Zhuravsky 2.72, Uranium Cuber 2.71, Etienne Guay 2.65, Etienne Guay 2.62, Anrii Simonov 2.59, andreicuber123 2.36


Can we stop accepting UWRs that have no video footage attached?

I think it's fine if the person is trusted, like Max Park for example. But when it's a random person who claims an UWR, for all we know, they could've just made up their time. Of course, we could just trust the person, but I do not believe trusting is enough. There must be verification and some form of evidence (preferably by video) in order for these solves to have validity. Sure, it's not like there are any WCA regulations or guidelines in place for UWRs, but isn't the most important and obvious thing about claiming timed solves is proof that it actually happened? Imagine if you had the power to submit times solves to your WCA profile without proof. This is comparable to what the UWR page is here.

I think a solution to this issue would be to try an approach similar to what has been doing for a while. Where moderators (or even community members!) ask someone who wishes to claim an UWR for verification/evidence of their result. Should the person not have any video of the result, they can be asked to record a solve that would be considered as 'close enough' to their UWR to gain their trust. For instance, if a person claims to have a 30 second 4x4 PB single but did not film it, they could just record a 40 second average of 5, for example, and it would be enough for anyone to believe that their 30 second single is legit. This approach can easily be implemented, by making a thread on the forums and allowing only moderators to have permission to edit this page. Only when the UWR is validated it may be added to the page.

Thanks for reading, and I hope someone considers my idea

Nice idea, but I think it would kinda be a hassle to implement, I'm not a mod so take what I said with a grain of salt. - Just a cuber
I agree, it's a great idea, but we would need people who are willing to moderate the page all the time, which is definitely a lot of work. If anyone really wants to do this, you could PM pjk about it on the forums (since I think that's he's most active on there) and ask him for permission (mainly admin rights for protecting the page) to do this. - RedstoneTim (talk) 07:29, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

3x3 UWR Single

Saw that the UWR single was removed despite it being by a reputable cuber, Fahmi Aulia Rachman. Timing is pretty convenient too since he just lowered it again with a 2.36. Is UWR single not going to be tracked completely anymore or is the 2.36 and Fahmi's previous results suspicious to some. -SciKE

3x3 single was removed in the past and I didn't realise it was added back until I saw your update. I don't know Fahmi so I can't comment on the legitimacy of his times. He only has an official 8 second average but that was in 2019. There are a few reasons why we don't track 3x3 single but the major reason is that it's both completely unverifiable and highly valuable. There is a large incentive for any random cuber to make claims of "the luckiest solve in my life", where they miraculously skipped half the solve and broke the single record. So unless we have undeniable video evidence or the time comes from a *very short* list of trusted names, I don't think 3x3 single should be listed on this Wiki page. There is a spreadsheet of all sub-3 singles, including the most dubious claims, floating around somewhere if you're into reading fake times.

Billabob (talk) 12:53, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

2x2x4 UWR

Earlier today, my 2x2x4 UWR of 4.27 has been broken by someone else with a 3.76. Props to the guy who broke it but i cant seem o find any footage so if anyone can show any "proof" that person broke it, I would be really happy. I ain't saying L don't believe it, I would just believe it more if I found any footage of it. I also need to know if that person used a bandaged 4x4 because I used an actual Rubik's Brand for my UWR. Anyways this is all I need so please find an answer if you can. - [LukasCubs]

After clearing up your vandalism (I hope you didn't do it on purpose, please don't repeat that), I've reverted the current 2x2x4 UWR back to yours as you've supplied video evidence. Usually, I wouldn't do this since I don't actively moderate this page and a video isn't required, but considering that User:Ccubing's account doesn't have any at all and the new record only contains name and time, I've changed it back. This doesn't mean that I don't believe User:Ccubing's record is real, I just want to ensure it's not someone who created an account, added a record and then never replies back, especially because we can't tell if the correct puzzle was used. So in case you read this, User:Ccubing, just answer User:LukasCubes' question here and I'll add your record back. In the meantime, User:LukasCubes' record will be the one displayed on the page. - RedstoneTim (talk) 08:57, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Yo it's LukasCubes. I changed it back becaue I already told like 50 people my record has been broken so ims try to break it again on camera. I did getlike a 4.22 and a 4.09 off cam but that isnt a 3.76. Anyways if you are this, im gonna try to break it again. In the meantime, ima keep it to Zach Nyarko's WR.

Hey it is LukasCubes again. I got my WR back so this topic is pretty much over until somebody breaks it again (probably Zach Nyarko). Even though I was live on facebook and the is linked, PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT!

Guess what, I (LukasCubes) am back for this topic. For the few hours Zach Nyarko had it, he beat my UWR so I would just like to congradulate him. I will let him keep the Ao5 and Ao12 but im taking the single. Again congrats on breaking it AGAIN its nice to have some compitition with stupidly lucky scrambles we both seem to get (mstly me) but Zach if you are reading this, CONGRATS!

Lego Cube

The "Lego Cube" is just the same as 3x3 but with lego tiles, right? In that case there shouldn't be a category for it, but i don't know if I'm missing something about the puzzle

I'm the one who put it there, so I'm biased. But it's under the "Variations of 3x3" section, which has different sized cubes and other challenges. I would say it's definitely more different to solve than a smaller 3x3.

Edit: I'm Frozen Cuber, the most recent WB holder for this event and yes, I do agree with the previous WB holder that the puzzle is indeed a lot harder to speedsolve in comparison to a regular 3x3, since the extended and bumpy times of the Lego Cube would make it significantly harder to turn fast, also owing to the fact that that its corner-cutting is almost non-existent due to the presence of the tiles, making solving times approximately 1.5x slower than on a regular 3x3.

2x2-9x9 Relay

Hey, so I deleted the time from Michał Halczuk for the 2x2-9x9 relay. I did some searching and can't find any posts or videos of it, and it seems weird that he would have gotten the exact same time as Max Park down to the hundredth of a second. Ganc says Michal got it first. If I'm wrong, I'd be happy to put it back, but I can only find Max's relay, which seems to be the record.

Is Rubik's Magic and Mini Rubik's Magic BLD UWR necessary?

Well yeah does Rubik's Magic, and Mini Rubik's Magic Blindfolded UWR necessary?

Since Rubik's Magic solve always the same and it just from memorization which mean even though you solve it blindfolded it just the same


I agree they're fundamentally the same solve. We're going to be revamping the UWR page and rolling out new notability rules because of the spam issue so give it a few days.

Cheers Billabob (talk) 14:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Does Jim Steenvoorden 0.04 2x2 UWR legit?

There is no video, recontruction and scramble to really prove it, and if he get 0.04 with 4 move solution he will need 100 TPS

- User:Reirto-RRNF (Talk)


Also the 0.51 2x2 OH UWR from the same guy

- User:Reirto-RRNF (Talk)

Yeah it's obviously fake. This page doesn't include 2x2 single either way, so I'll remove it. The OH could be real but I'll revert it since there's no proof and judging by the 0.04 this person can't be trusted. He's also removed every average bigger than Ao12 which is vandalism. Thanks Over the Board for fixing it

I'll leave the ghost cube records as I can't really comment on them, they seem reasonable but should definitely be taken with a grain of salt. It's a bit weird that his single was also in the Ao5, implying he didn't do many solves but still beat the record

Cheers Billabob (talk) 08:45, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Hey guys. It's a while since I visited this page and just realiced that my ghost cube world record single as well as ao5 were broken by someone I never heard of. Since this guy seems to fake times on this page I'd say the ghost cube entrys are fake as well. To break this record you probably have to practice a couple of months as well as designing your own speedcube version of a ghost cube. With standard puzzles it's pretty much impossible.

Greetings TheSeppomania / Sebastian Häfner

- User:Theseppomania (Talk)