# Talk:PLL

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Just learned the N(a) and N(b) perms and they were written as L U' R U2 L' U R' L U' R U2 L' U R' U' and R' U L' U2 R U' L R' U L' U2 R U' L U respectively. I noticed that they were actually two repetitions of a shorter algorithm so I changed it so other cubers will have an easier time learning those perms. I turned N(a) into (L U' R U2 L' U R')2 U' and N(b) into (R' U L' U2 R U' L)2 U.

~ Eleredo

Quick question: Is a Ja Perm same as a L perm and if it is, maybe a alternate name block on that PLL? MaeLSTRoM 17:40, 14 January 2011 (EST)

## Templates

I'm thinking it might be good to have each case in a template, aspecially the PLLs, then you can put the cases at other pages too but still all algs added will go to the same place, no matter if it is edited on page x or y.

But I'm not sure it is doable, have to test it a little...

// Kenneth 09:36, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

It works, but after edit you will be at the template page and not at the page you started from, a smaller problem I think...

I think I got it, a little menu in top of the pic that have links to the pages the template is used on =)

### H Permutation

 Name: H-PLL, X-PLL Used in: EPLL, CPLL, PLL, ELL, ZBLL, ZZLL Optimal moves: 10 HTM, 7 STM X-PLL is H-PLL + U2.
 PLL M2' U M2' U2 M2' U M2' [1]
 PLL M2' U' M2' U2' M2' U' M2' [2]

# Old talk

Open the editor and look at the next line after this, it removes the table, the next line removes the section edit tabs if one likes that (removed it again becuse it took away the tabs from this page)

// Kenneth 21:14, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I made an example image that shows how LL cases can be displayed, this is right side J-PLL

Looking good? I think it does, maybe a little higher side pices and roundes stickers would be nice.

If anyone can make nicer looking images than mine then things is good (I used pain(t) and that is not a good tool)

// Kenneth 05:18, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: I skiped that image idéa if someone wonders what happend =) // Kenneth 14:41, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Here is a example of how to solve the problem with that disturbing TOC

PLL (edit)
Permutations of corners only
Permutations of edges only
Permutations of corners and edges

Bah! I put it on the page and remove the TOC :)

// Kenneth 08:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I think we should color code (if possible) the algorithms that are most commonly used for OH. Or maybe put them in a seperate section if possible. What do you guys think?

Rubik's Cube Fan 18:44, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

In that case I think it is better to make sub pages under BLD for recommnded OLL's and PLL'. It is pretty easy to colour code but it makes the wiki code messy with all those "font" tags and colour codes. I make an example here, click edit to see how it looks:
• R U R' U R U2 R'

// Kenneth 14:41, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

## Aa Perm

(y') r U r' U' r' F r2 U' r' U' r U r' F' doesn't seem to be an A perm. The scrambled view on alg.cubing doesn't look like one... Randomno (talk) 23:06, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

• it is an A-perm, the top layer is just rotated a quarter turn. You can tell that it is an a-perm because it containes a 1x2x2 block surrounded by 2 stickers of the same color. Zombiedude347 (talk) 04:19, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

## Mobile viewing issues

On mobile, the images for each case show as quite small. The tables needs to be divided up a bit. Also the case for the OLL page. Please assist with makes these changes and test on mobile to ensure it looks okay. Thanks. --PJK (talk) 09:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

I've fixed the mobile issues. Now we need to update the algs with a list of good algs. We don't want to have a bunch of bad algs on here, there is no point. Lets modify these algs to ensure only good algs are listed. --PJK (talk) 04:02, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Mobile issues have been fixed, what can we do to make this page more useful/easy to use?--PJK (talk) 06:56, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

# J Perm

As J perm a is y2 L U' R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2 R, why isn't there y2 R' U L U' R U2 L' U L U2 L' among the algorithms for J perm b?

Please feel free to edit it as you see issues.--PJK (talk) 01:57, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I added it, but don't know how to number it. — Kephasp (talk) 13:03, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

## Format of PLL Page

Seeing at the PLL page is the most visiting page on the wiki, I think it could use some formatting work. What is a cleaner way to format the page so it can be more easily browsed, specifically on mobile? It requires a lot of scrolling at the moment. --PJK (talk) 07:42, 5 December 2019 (UTC)