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I now know 85 out of the 493 ZBLL and counting. AKA that is %17.2413793103 of ZBLLs.
I know only 8.51926977% of ZBLL
Nice work!
I have learned 80.16194332% of ZBLL, or 396 of 494 ZBLLs.

I am solidifying up a mirror set of L, and then am hoping to finish up the last 6 diag Ls before the end of the week. Then I will have a bunch of Sunes and Anti Sunes left. With luck, those will be finished before the end of the year, or at least before the end of January. Best of luck with your progress too!
 
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Nice work!
I have learned 80.16194332% of ZBLL, or 396 of 494 ZBLLs.

I am solidifying up a mirror set of L, and then am hoping to finish up the last 6 diag Ls before the end of the week. Then I will have a bunch of Sunes and Anti Sunes left. With luck, those will be finished before the end of the year, or at least before the end of January. Best of luck with your progress too!
I'm going 2GLLs first, then TUL. Is that a good approach ?
And I miscounted. I almost forgot that I know almost all of COLL. My algcount now is 42 + 32 = 74 including full PLL. Whoa, what a big head start. For those who are wondering, I do know when the COLL I get skips PLL for all the algs that I know.

Hope you finish ZBLL soon
 
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Nice work!
I have learned 80.16194332% of ZBLL, or 396 of 494 ZBLLs.

I am solidifying up a mirror set of L, and then am hoping to finish up the last 6 diag Ls before the end of the week. Then I will have a bunch of Sunes and Anti Sunes left. With luck, those will be finished before the end of the year, or at least before the end of January. Best of luck with your progress too!
Nice, hope ya reach 100 soon
 

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I'm going 2GLLs first, then TUL. Is that a good approach ?
It's hard to say, but those are the sets that most people who know ZBLL agree are worth it.

I might recommend that you learn TUL before you learn 2GLL, just because then you won't have to stop to recognize each case.

When you don't know any ZBLLs, everything is automatically an OCLL, and can be executed instantly. If you do know some ZBLLs across a couple OCLL sets, then you have to (pause) to make sure that you don't know the case before you proceed forward with an OCLL. That's a bunch of time spent just to do what you normally do.
 

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Personally, I suspect the best approach to learning and implementing ZBLLs is to learn all the cases from each set that have stupid easy recognition first since the cases with fast recognition and good algs are the ones the are the most worth it. If you are at a decent enough speed you should be able to instantly recognize cases like T-32 where it’s F perm with the two swapping corners flipped for example. Then start to finish TUL, 2GLL, and the rest of you want.
 

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So I saw somewhere, that there is something known as Jason Baum Recognition for Colour Neutrality. I can't find anything about it. I also want to see if it is rather popular and if I am just living under a rock.
Anyone?
 

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So I saw somewhere, that there is something known as Jason Baum Recognition for Colour Neutrality. I can't find anything about it. I also want to see if it is rather popular and if I am just living under a rock.
Anyone?
Recognition for ZBLL is going to be the same for all colors. You never go based on a straight color, but rather the relationship of colors to each other along the y-axis.

For example, if you're a white bottom solver, then yellow is your OCLL color, and red and green are adjacent colors. However, if you're color neutral and have orange on bottom for a solve, then red and green aren't going to be adjacent colors because red is going to be your OCLL colour, and green and yellow are going to be adjacent colors.

This ZBLL doc has a preamble before it lists algs (the bottom paragraph in italics on page 3) where it describes Baum-Harris ZBLL recognition. That's how I learned it.
 
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Is it worth it to learn the last two T case sets?
They all feel the same and I'm kind of intimidated by the similarity of each alg.
 

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I am planning on learning one OCLL subset of ZBLL. I’ve heard that the T, U, and L subsets are the most recommended sets to learn. But out of those three which one is the most useful? By that I mean which ZBLL subset will save the most time over OCLL -> PLL?
There’s no properly set answer, all come up as many times as the other and I guess you’ll just have to skim the algorithms to see
Is it worth it to learn the last two T case sets?
They all feel the same and I'm kind of intimidated by the similarity of each alg.
For ZBLL?
 

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Is it worth it to learn the last two T case sets?
They all feel the same and I'm kind of intimidated by the similarity of each alg.
Yes, but you should also keep in mind that I have no idea which algs you mean exactly by "the last two T case sets". There's no standardised ordering of the subsets; which ones you learn first or learn last are up to you, and we won't have that information if you don't tell us.

For example, AlgDb and SCDB both group the T ZBLLs by corner permutation (i.e. grouped by CLL case), with the diag CP and the solved CP subsets as the last two ones, while if you look at Juju ZBLL, that has solved CP and diag CP at the top.
 
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