# You can sub 20 - Roux Version.

#### PandaCuber

##### Member
Hello fellow cubers!

I don't know if you all have seen 'cyoubx' videos. But he had this short series of "You can be sub-20 without..." Using CFOP of course..

So.., where i live, it is now summer time and I have nothing to do, so I thought I'd do a You can sub 20 with Roux!

I will make this series and will try to upload videos to youtube every time I get the challenge done, even if that means multiple uploads on one day or uploads every other day.

The hard part about this series, is that I just recently broke the sub 20 barrier. I can easily do sub 20 solves, but there will come a solve where I just cant

I already plan on making video with,
-2LookCMLL
-Making blocks without M-slice

If there are other challenges you think I should do, please please tell me.

Thanks -teh PandaCuber.

#### Tim Major

##### Platinum Member
I understand the 2 look CMLL, but the others are stupid. Why would you force yourself to solve badly?

#### Jaycee

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I think it'll be difficult to do the no lookahead. Not because, well, no lookahead, but because it's kind of difficult to stop looking ahead, at least for me. Lookahead just kindof developed to the point where it's natural so I can't stop looking ahead. :/

#### PandaCuber

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I understand the 2 look CMLL, but the others are stupid. Why would you force yourself to solve badly?
I see it as a challenge. Its not like ill be practicing that challenge day and night, And thats also why i ask for opinions

#### freshcuber

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I understand the 2 look CMLL, but the others are stupid. Why would you force yourself to solve badly?
To show that you don't need to be a Full Fridrich solver to average sub-20. Or a Roux solver with a bunch of algs. He's trying to make people understand that 20 seconds isn't that fast

#### PandaCuber

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To show that you don't need to be a Full Fridrich solver to average sub-20. Or a Roux solver with a bunch of algs. He's trying to make people understand that 20 seconds isn't that fast
Exactly.

#### Jaycee

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To show that you don't need to be a Full Fridrich solver to average sub-20. Or a Roux solver with a bunch of algs. He's trying to make people understand that 20 seconds isn't that fast
Huh. I kind of got this out of it. "You can be fast (sub-20) without doing the common things pros do." That doesn't sound right... I know what I'm trying to say but I can't put it into the correct words.

#### PandaCuber

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Huh. I kind of got this out of it. "You can be fast (sub-20) without doing the common things pros do." That doesn't sound right... I know what I'm trying to say but I can't put it into the correct words.
You can be sub 20 without all of the shortcuts and algs? lol idk

#### thackernerd

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This isn't really a challenge but, do you think you could make a video on how to do LSE one handed? I just can't seem to do it quick when m solving.

Table abuse

#### PandaCuber

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This isn't really a challenge but, do you think you could make a video on how to do LSE one handed? I just can't seem to do it quick when m solving.
You know, im actually learning how to do OH. I use right hand , so what I do is place thumb on second block, index finger on U, ring finger on M and then use table abuse. Basically place the first block on the table and make believe the table is just your other hand holding the first block. I hope that makes sense.

#### chardison1980

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i dont understand this, 20 seconds isnt that fast?
ive only gotten 1 solve under 20 seconds, and it was an 8 second lucky solve ended up skipping the whole last layer completly, i finished the second layer and it was solved so super lucky.
as of now i cant consistantly break the 45 second mark, and am averageing 45-50 or 1 min mark on a good day, out of 20-25 solves back to back in 1 go. i use cube timer for my scrambles, and waterman for my method. im trying to break into using roux. i have bad look ahead it sucks really.
is there anything i can to to help improve this. thanks.

#### 5BLD

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The danger is... if you have, for example sub-20 'without lookahead' -especially in Roux- people will be mislead. Lookahead is very important and most people miss it out, and improve only once they discover the importance.

Sure, you can easily get sub-20 without the fundamental techniques (meh not right word) of cubing, but you'll struggle later on to get really fast times.

I'm struggling to undo my bad LSE habits because I thought pauses during LSE wasn't a big problem, early on. Sure, it wasn't. Result, now my LSE is only like 2.5 seconds and it's hard for me to undo bad habits.

This isn't really a challenge but, do you think you could make a video on how to do LSE one handed? I just can't seem to do it quick when m solving.
My way's unique, I thought it was normal until I showed Thom at UKO and he was like wtf.
I lean on the FR edge, and kinda do it like SR rather than MU. Watch me solve and you'll see.

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#### chardison1980

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sorry i didnt explain that better, the sub 9 single at that moment i was using layer by layer. my fault for not explaining that in the first place.
i then gave up LBL, and moved on to petrus, roux and finally my normal method waterman/corners first, and explained by REDKB on youtube.

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#### Hyrtsi

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Uh. How about actually teaching people to look ahead? Blockbuilding and fingertrick tutorials for beginners would be appreciated as well. Do useful tutorials you know

#### PandaCuber

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Uh. How about actually teaching people to look ahead? Blockbuilding and fingertrick tutorials for beginners would be appreciated as well. Do useful tutorials you know
Yeah this is probably a getter idea. Thanks.!

sorry i didnt explain that better, the sub 9 single at that moment i was using layer by layer. my fault for not explaining that in the first place.
i then gave up LBL, and moved on to petrus, roux and finally my normal method waterman/corners first, and explained by REDKB on youtube.
Should have mulitposted this

Well what is that youre trying to say? Would you like a tutorial on lookahead with Roux?

Or that 20 seconds isnt that fast? ...I dont understand.

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#### chardison1980

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a tutorial on improving my look ahead would be nice if you could do that, along with edge pairing and advanced edge pairing without breaking up the first 1x2x3 block. (roux)
thanks.

#### PandaCuber

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a tutorial on improving my look ahead would be nice if you could do that, along with edge pairing and advanced edge pairing without breaking up the first 1x2x3 block. (roux)
thanks.
Alright no problem, Ill start working on that.

#### Cheese11

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Pfft, I already do the 1st and 2nd ones! (I still don't how I got to be the speed I am...)

#### PandaCuber

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Pfft, I already do the 1st and 2nd ones! (I still don't how I got to be the speed I am...)
Lol yeah you should work on that...lol