# Which type or brand of square-1 is the best?

#### Neutrals01

##### Member
I searched the forum about square-1..but couldn't find any thread relating of which square-1 is best fit for speed.. really sorry if there is one...

So, I am planning to buy a square-1... but I do not have much info on it, and I want to get the best speed square-1(because don't want to regret again, last time got rubik's 2x2, wasted my money). Any suggestions on which type or brand of square-1 is the best? Thanks for helping~

#### fanwuq

I just got the black one for $7 from cube4you. #### waffle=ijm ##### Waffo *cough* I use those cheap$3 ones *cough*

but DIYs are better.

#### TMOY

##### Member
I got two square-1 from c4y: first the cheap one (very bad at first, gets better after lubing but still not really great), then the black one (good).

#### Neutrals01

##### Member
hmm..is the black square-1 from c4y counted a diy square-1? /because I checked c4y and only the red and green one have a bracket behind writing (diy), but the black and white square-1 do not have the diy word behind..

sorry, just trying to have confirmation before getting one..

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#### *LukeMayn*

##### Member
I'm pretty sure it is. If in doubt, buy another color. It won't make you bankrupt too buy both

#### Neutrals01

##### Member
well...I am poor..and my parents are already angry because I spent quite a lot on twisty puzzles..

#### DAE_JA_VOO

##### Member
I bought a DIY from C4Y and it sucks.

#### fcwy1

##### Member
have you tried lossening the screws, lubing it?
maybe it's one of the few lousy ones.

#### DAE_JA_VOO

##### Member
have you tried lossening the screws, lubing it?
maybe it's one of the few lousy ones.
Yep, tried adjustments and lube. Mine must be one of the few crap ones...

I use a DIY. When you get it, disassemble it and just take out the spring. It makes it so much better.

#### Bounb

##### Member
I have a DIY from C4Y and an original Irwin that I got fairly cheap on eBay. The DIY is good at cutting corners and the 180 degree slicing turn is good but the layers don't turn too well (this is due to a flaw in the design in my opinion) - still perfectly acceptable. The original Irwin is great, all planes very smooth, cuts corners less well than the DIY though.

#### lorki3

##### Member
he I think this the right thread i want a square 1 as well so does anyone now what type off square 1 this is http://www.kubuswinkel.nl/ please look at kubus en draai puzzels in assortiment and find square 1 hope this clear

That looks like one of the cheap ones to me. I wouldn't buy it.

#### lorki3

##### Member
That looks like one of the cheap ones to me. I wouldn't buy it.
oke thanks but i got a diy 3x3 from them it was good quality but should i buy mf8 square 1? or what square should i buy the one from c4y

#### whitelynx_nivla

##### Member
all from cube4you are DIY
it's MF8 brand

MF8 plastic is a bit rought right outside the box
but try lube it with CRC or jig-a-loo
it will be smooth and very fast
this happen with the MF8 Megaminx too

#### DavidWoner

##### The Punchmaster
The ones sold on popbuying are also mf8.

#### lorki3

##### Member
all from cube4you are DIY
it's MF8 brand

MF8 plastic is a bit rought right outside the box
but try lube it with CRC or jig-a-loo
it will be smooth and very fast
this happen with the MF8 Megaminx too
So I should get a mf8 square-1?

#### ben1996123

##### Banned
all from cube4you are DIY
it's MF8 brand

MF8 plastic is a bit rought right outside the box
but try lube it with CRC or jig-a-loo
it will be smooth and very fast
this happen with the MF8 Megaminx too
So I should get a mf8 square-1?
Yes.