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Uncommon Method Competition | Submissions Open ! 160$ in Prizes ! OP for Details

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efattah

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I suggest a similar breakdown except move Waterman:
Category A: variant/hybrid => Russo, ZBRoux, PCMS, LEOR, 42, WaterRoux
Category B: novel/more unique => Mehta, SSC, ECE, LMCF, HK, Tripod, Waterman
 

efattah

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My first submission, Ao12 14.67, which also overlaps Ao5 13.80, and overlaps Ao12 14.59. Not PB but I only recently started filming solves again:

Generated By csTimer on 2021-01-02

avg of 12: 14.67

Time List:
1. 15.04 F2 L2 F2 R' U2 L2 D2 R' D2 U2 L2 B' U F2 L D' F' R D2 F'
2. 13.40 D R2 U2 F' U2 B2 U2 F R2 U2 F' D2 B L' D' L' F2 L2 U F'
3. 18.03 D U L2 F2 D2 R2 F2 D' U2 R2 B U B2 F' L U2 F2 D L2 R
4. 13.60 R B2 F2 R2 D B2 U' B2 L2 R2 D L' F D2 B L F2 R' B' R'
5. 15.02 F' U2 L2 R2 B D2 B' F2 R2 D2 U2 B2 R' D F' R2 D' B' L' F2 U
6. 16.64 B2 U2 B2 U2 L R D2 F2 L' D2 L' U' F2 L U2 L B F2 R B
7. 13.54 F R2 F R' L' B R2 B L2 U' L2 F2 U L2 F2 B2 U R2 U F'
8. 14.02 B U' F2 B2 L2 F2 R F' U' F R2 B2 U2 R2 D2 R2 D2 L2 B' U2
9. 14.95 D2 B2 L2 U' L2 U' F2 U' R2 U2 B' L' B2 D L F' D2 L B2 U2
10. (11.22) D L2 U R2 D L2 U B2 R2 F2 U' R' U' L' B F' L2 R' B' D' F
11. (20.12) B2 R D' R' D' R' L' D R2 L2 F R2 F L2 U2 L2 F' L2 B R
12. 12.44 B2 D2 U2 F' R2 F D2 L2 U2 R2 B2 F' L B R' B' L' D2 B' D

Inconsistently is still my 'bane.' It is not uncommon for me to have a sequence like 13, 10, 27, 11, 25 sec. Running into cases whose algorithms I don't know is the main problem. Since I only know around 380 of the 800 LMCF algorithms it is hard to get a solve where I know each case that comes up.
 

Silky

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My first submission, Ao12 14.67, which also overlaps Ao5 13.80, and overlaps Ao12 14.59. Not PB but I only recently started filming solves again:

Generated By csTimer on 2021-01-02

avg of 12: 14.67

Time List:
1. 15.04 F2 L2 F2 R' U2 L2 D2 R' D2 U2 L2 B' U F2 L D' F' R D2 F'
2. 13.40 D R2 U2 F' U2 B2 U2 F R2 U2 F' D2 B L' D' L' F2 L2 U F'
3. 18.03 D U L2 F2 D2 R2 F2 D' U2 R2 B U B2 F' L U2 F2 D L2 R
4. 13.60 R B2 F2 R2 D B2 U' B2 L2 R2 D L' F D2 B L F2 R' B' R'
5. 15.02 F' U2 L2 R2 B D2 B' F2 R2 D2 U2 B2 R' D F' R2 D' B' L' F2 U
6. 16.64 B2 U2 B2 U2 L R D2 F2 L' D2 L' U' F2 L U2 L B F2 R B
7. 13.54 F R2 F R' L' B R2 B L2 U' L2 F2 U L2 F2 B2 U R2 U F'
8. 14.02 B U' F2 B2 L2 F2 R F' U' F R2 B2 U2 R2 D2 R2 D2 L2 B' U2
9. 14.95 D2 B2 L2 U' L2 U' F2 U' R2 U2 B' L' B2 D L F' D2 L B2 U2
10. (11.22) D L2 U R2 D L2 U B2 R2 F2 U' R' U' L' B F' L2 R' B' D' F
11. (20.12) B2 R D' R' D' R' L' D R2 L2 F R2 F L2 U2 L2 F' L2 B R
12. 12.44 B2 D2 U2 F' R2 F D2 L2 U2 R2 B2 F' L B R' B' L' D2 B' D

Inconsistently is still my 'bane.' It is not uncommon for me to have a sequence like 13, 10, 27, 11, 25 sec. Running into cases whose algorithms I don't know is the main problem. Since I only know around 380 of the 800 LMCF algorithms it is hard to get a solve where I know each case that comes up.
Congrats mate, looking like a strong start, excited to see what else you come up with.. What are the majority of cases you know ? Is it mostly E2L or EG stuff ? Also how do you handle intuitive E2L, do you incorporate commutators ?
 

efattah

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Right now I only know EG-1 and CLL, so when I get an EG-2 case the solve is slower. In E2L I use a lot of intuitive stuff on the transition phase, but almost always hit triplets cases in L/R E2L that I recognize but don't know or forgot the algorithm for. What gets me the worst though is L6E, since there are like 500 cases, and I would say upwards of half of solves I run into L6E cases I don't know and have to break them down into smaller steps which is a huge waste of time. I get 10's and 11's pretty often but usually sandwiched by 20+ second solves, so they rarely make it into averages.
 

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My first submission, Ao12 14.67, which also overlaps Ao5 13.80, and overlaps Ao12 14.59. Not PB but I only recently started filming solves again:

Generated By csTimer on 2021-01-02

avg of 12: 14.67

Time List:
1. 15.04 F2 L2 F2 R' U2 L2 D2 R' D2 U2 L2 B' U F2 L D' F' R D2 F'
2. 13.40 D R2 U2 F' U2 B2 U2 F R2 U2 F' D2 B L' D' L' F2 L2 U F'
3. 18.03 D U L2 F2 D2 R2 F2 D' U2 R2 B U B2 F' L U2 F2 D L2 R
4. 13.60 R B2 F2 R2 D B2 U' B2 L2 R2 D L' F D2 B L F2 R' B' R'
5. 15.02 F' U2 L2 R2 B D2 B' F2 R2 D2 U2 B2 R' D F' R2 D' B' L' F2 U
6. 16.64 B2 U2 B2 U2 L R D2 F2 L' D2 L' U' F2 L U2 L B F2 R B
7. 13.54 F R2 F R' L' B R2 B L2 U' L2 F2 U L2 F2 B2 U R2 U F'
8. 14.02 B U' F2 B2 L2 F2 R F' U' F R2 B2 U2 R2 D2 R2 D2 L2 B' U2
9. 14.95 D2 B2 L2 U' L2 U' F2 U' R2 U2 B' L' B2 D L F' D2 L B2 U2
10. (11.22) D L2 U R2 D L2 U B2 R2 F2 U' R' U' L' B F' L2 R' B' D' F
11. (20.12) B2 R D' R' D' R' L' D R2 L2 F R2 F L2 U2 L2 F' L2 B R
12. 12.44 B2 D2 U2 F' R2 F D2 L2 U2 R2 B2 F' L B R' B' L' D2 B' D

Inconsistently is still my 'bane.' It is not uncommon for me to have a sequence like 13, 10, 27, 11, 25 sec. Running into cases whose algorithms I don't know is the main problem. Since I only know around 380 of the 800 LMCF algorithms it is hard to get a solve where I know each case that comes up.
Now I am in a strong second by 20 seconds
(Also 1000th post!)
 

OreKehStrah

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I'm slowly learning the Tripod LL algs, starting with the ZBLLs. I'm also playing around with what's fast and what's not for setting up to tripod LL, and when I'm able to force it to a case I know I can get decent times. Just got a sub-10, which might be the fastest tripod solve?
 

Silky

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I'm slowly learning the Tripod LL algs, starting with the ZBLLs. I'm also playing around with what's fast and what's not for setting up to tripod LL, and when I'm able to force it to a case I know I can get decent times. Just got a sub-10, which might be the fastest tripod solve?
If it isn't it's probably pretty close to it. There are some sub-10 with x-methods out there that may have a sub-10, too lazy to check though. What are your thoughts on the method so far ?
 

Athefre

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This competition might help some of the lesser used methods gain some popularity. The community may come to see the benefits of methods, steps, and techniques that exist in things other than CFOP, Roux, ZZ, and Petrus. There are already people learning algs for the competition. Pretty cool.
 

OreKehStrah

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If it isn't it's probably pretty close to it. There are some sub-10 with x-methods out there that may have a sub-10, too lazy to check though. What are your thoughts on the method so far ?
I've been playing around with different ways of doing blockbuilding such as petrus style vs Roux style, and with a CFOP Cross and F2L style, and the CFOP style so far has been the fastest way of doing it.

Honestly, I don't think it's as good as any of those 3 methods because setting up into the U layer 2x2 block can be awkward, and finishing the last F2L pair is usually a longer solution and I usually end up just solving one piece of the pair and inserting the other with a commutator. You end up losing the efficiency of Petrus if you force that U layer block, or gain an extra step in CFOP and make your last pair a worse, to the point I don't think the Tripod LL can compensate for.

I'm going to experiment with an EO First approach once I learn more of the tripod ZBLLs and see how that goes.

Now let's talk about the reason I'm even doing this: I suspect that it is worth it for advanced CFOP solvers to learn Tripod LL.

I've looked at the cases and the recognition seems to be pretty good, at least in terms of 1LLL recognition, due to the solved 2x2 block. Some of the algs are good, and some aren't so I'll probably try to generate new ones for the bad cases. I've got some of the algs well under a second in execution. After doing a decent amount of Tripod so far, I've started to notice when Tripod LL cases show up in my CFOP solves often enough that I think it would be worth learning for advanced solvers, especially if F2L tricks to force or preserve the U layer block are developed/implemented into solves.

As another side note, I've found another option select thing for Tripod is to use TTLLs as well as Tripod LL. Because of the preserved block there is only 15 or 15 TTLLs one would need to learn to have more F2L pair options to get around the U layer block awkwardness. I'm planning on learning these after I finish the ZBLLs since I'm just going to use the EO Tripod method if I don't have enough time to learn full Tripod LL before submission cut-offs end.

TLDR: Not a good method on it's own, but Tripod LL seems to be a viable "small" set of 1LLL algs worth looking at for advanced CFOP

Edit: The EO version is actually worse. It limits your final pair even more since you can't sledge/hedge
 

OreKehStrah

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Also here's an example solve for Tripod focusing more on efficiency:

F' L2 U R2 L2 D' F L B U2 L2 F D2 R2 B2 L2 F R2 U2 B

z2 y' // Orientation
L D' R2 B F' L' F // 2x2x2 Block with Influencing
y R F U F' R r U' r' U // Second and Third Pair Setup
F2 r U r' // Insertion
y R U' R' F' U2 F // U Layer Block Plus Final Pair
U' R U' R' // Insert Pair
U l' U' R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2 R2 r D2 // Tripod LL, Setup into L/Ja Perm

// 44 Move Solution
// 30 Before TLL

As you can see, the solutions you can get can be pretty efficient, but are super awkward to execute and really hard to look ahead and plan quickly during solves.
 

Tao Yu

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Just updated the rules in OP. Is this clear enough ?
Nice. I decided I will compete using Mehta if I do participate. Thinking back, I was kind of trying to game the system by choosing a method that would give me the most possible advantage, even if bad, and I think that's not in the spirit.

Which makes me realize if I really wanted to go down that route I would probably choose Russo. Why is that an actual method? It seems to be Roux except you solve BD for no reason, since you will always need to unsolve it at some point in during L5E. I'm really strongly of the opinion that some ideas just aren't good enough to deserve a name.
 

efattah

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I have been filming regularly and have recorded better averages than I posted earlier, but based on my current rate of progress, I will be lucky to post a 12.50 Ao12 by Feb 28, which, by the looks of things, would get second place even in the best scenario! Regardless, I'm mostly competing against myself so I will push onwards! Good luck to everyone and I urge everyone to post, regardless of whatever your time is.
 
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