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To Sune or Anti-Sune

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In the One Answer Question Thread before it was shut down I asked about why you might need to learn Anti-Sune if you can just do Sune with the left hand. I got one response that said you could force a PLL skip... I spent some time trying to figure out the pattern and this is what I got.

When you have a Sune/Anti-Sune case have the "fish" facing down and the twisted block have the top color facing you. For example...


When there is a matching pair on the front one side (the one on the opposite side of the "fish") and back Anti-sune should give you a PLL skip (Or at least the corners)
When there is a not a matching pair on the front, but on both sides and the back Sune should give you a PLL skip (Or at least the corners)

This seems to be the case. Of course you would have to do Sune and Anti-Sune with both right and left hands. Does this work for everyone? Are there other patters that I might be missing?
 

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Yeah, this is a great time to do an anti-Sune. I use that block to recognize the *possibility* of a PLL skip.

You don't have to use both hands if you also do Sunes and anti-Sunes from the back (e.g. R' U2 R U R' U R).
 

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I look for CP whenever I get a sune/antisune OCLL so I can either use a sune or a niklas alg to avoid diagonal CP (or use COLL). If I see the corners are permuted and the blocks are in the right place then I know when I'm going to get a skip, so I don't need to guess :p
 

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I look for CP whenever I get a sune/antisune OCLL so I can either use a sune or a niklas alg to avoid diagonal CP (or use COLL). If I see the corners are permuted and the blocks are in the right place then I know when I'm going to get a skip, so I don't need to guess :p
I never use niklas. Even for niklas. By the time I recognize it I'm done with Sune + J perm sooo...
 

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I never use niklas. Even for niklas. By the time I recognize it I'm done with Sune + J perm sooo...
I could probably do Sune+J perm faster than Niklas too, but I hate diagswap PLLs. I think it's faster for me to do Niklas+adj swap PLL than Sune+diagswap PLL. Recognition isn't that hard for CP.
 

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I could probably do Sune+J perm faster than Niklas too, but I hate diagswap PLLs. I think it's faster for me to do Niklas+adj swap PLL than Sune+diagswap PLL. Recognition isn't that hard for CP.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you can do CLL recognotion on 2x2, CP recognition on 3x3 shouldn't be too hard right?
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you can do CLL recognotion on 2x2, CP recognition on 3x3 shouldn't be too hard right?
I'd guess he never even looks at sune CP on 3x3. It's not hard to recognize, but It takes some time and some people don't think it's worth it, especially because most of the time they're just going to do a sune anyway.
 
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