# Time proportions when solving 4x4

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I saw there was a 3x3 version of this thread but I didn't thing asking there was appropriate. Also I was gonna ask in the one answer thread but wanted more answers from people.

So I just began using Yau to solve the 4x4 and am significantly worse at it as suppose to straight redux (3-2-2-2...) And I couldnt find any detail on yau method.

45-1:00 for redux portion with straight redux
1:00-1:15 for yau redux portion

(on 3x3 I avg 16 so I'm not too worried about improving that portion right now)

anyway for my breakdown I believe it goes something like

~10 for two centers
~20 for three cross edges
~20 for 4 centers
~20 for rest of edges

I'm sure I need to improve on all portions. But I'd appreciate some recommendations for each portion of the solve.
Also some tips on pairing three edges would be great as I haven't found a very systematic and efficient way of doing them yet.

-Russ

#### Hyprul 9-ty2

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You might want to edit the title to indicate that you're talking about Yau method specifically.

#### yoshinator

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1st 2 centers: plan out entire first center in inspection, lookahead and predict second. This is easy to sub-5.
4 centers: all I can say is practice.
Edges: SLOW DOWN. Don't pause, and of course, practice.

#### AustinReed

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I'll give you my time proportions, I guess.

First two centers: 6.1
3 cross edges: 9.9
4 centers: 8.5
Rest of edges: 12.1
3x3: 23.1

Total = 59.8

Slower than usual, but you get the idea.

#### Ickathu

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Hold on, I'll give you mine

First two centers: 6.99 (4.87, 6.25, 7.38, 6.70, 9.73)
3 Cross: 10.64 (11.94, 11.53, 8.46, 7.73, 13.53)
4 centers: 12.34 (14.10, 11.36, 13.14, 14.49, 8.58)
redux: 25.98 (23.04, 27.85, 22.10, 27.91, 28.98)
3x3: 28.06 (too many mistakes) (31.29[messed up Eperm recog], 30.14[OP], 29.46[PP], 25.55, 23.84)

Total: 84.01 (1:24.01)

#### Mollerz

##### Swag Overlord
Here's mine, I'm CN Yau:

First Two Centres: (11.90[2E preserve], 3.56, 5.72, 6.94, 4.15)
3 Cross: (2.71, 9.61, 10.80, 6.03, 12.16)
4 Centres: (11.47, 9.56, 9.05, 7.93, 10.44)
Cross+Redux: (24.93, 22.03, 15.96, 18.90, 20.40)
3x3: (25.81[OP], 28.50, 25.81[OP], 28.93[DP], 29.41[OP])

Work out averages if you want.

G

#### Georgeanderre

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Mine for K4 (Main method) - I average around 1:10 although have had 2 sub minute solves

F2C - 0:06
Roux block - 0:18
Ring centres - 0:25
Layer - 0:30
F3L + CLL - 0:48
ELL - 1:05

for Roudux I'm around about 1:10 / 1:15

Centres - 0:20
Edges - 0:45
Roux - 1:15

and finally for 'yau' ... pretty much the same as K4 to be honest

First two centres - 0:06
3 Cross - 0:18
4 Centres - 0:25
Cross + Redux - 0:45
3x3 - 1:10

for reduction:

centers: 10
ep: 29
3x3: 17

#### MirzaCubing

##### Member
Don't use Yau. 32223 :3

Centers: ~10 seconds
Edge Pairing: ~20-35, depending on the amount of rotations, parities, etc.
3x3:~20

#### ottozing

##### Platinum Member
just did an ao12. i tend to look at the timer abit when i solve so im fairly sure these are my breakdowns. (cn yau 3-2-2-3 btw)

f2c - 4-6 seconds
3 cross edges - 7-9 seconds
centers - 7-8 seconds
last cross edge - 4-5 seconds
edge pairing - 13-14 seconds
3x3 stage - 15-16 seconds

according to this i average between 50-58 seconds which is pretty much correct.

#### tx789

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centers: 20-30
egdes: 40-1:00
3x3: 30-45

I avg 1:50 on a good solve redution is sub 1 min

#### Cheese11

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White and Yellow Centres - 2.97
1x3x4 Block - 12.69
Rest of Centres - 7.56
Edges - 47.28
Parity - 3.09

Total: 1:13.59 sec

#### DaveyCow

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A lot of progress has been made with Yau.... This vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO6FSBCLGkI
inspired me to bump this thread and re-start the discussion. Yoshinator's breakdown in the vid is 5/10/8/4/10/22 for sub1 (and so 10/20.2/16.1/8.1/20.3/44.4 for sub2, which I'm currently working on). What are people's current thoughts on these breakdowns? Are these reasonable or do you think some part of the solve should be slower/faster (on average)?

#### Jokern

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I did som solves now and got:
f2c: 8.91
cross: 18.14
l4c:17.03
edges:31.51
3x3:42.85
total:1:58.44

I usually avg 1:50-2:00. It seems my breakdown is pretty close to what DaveyCow suggests.

In the video he says you can look ahead like crazy in the edgepairing step, i find this is the step where i never look ahead. Maybe i should work on that?

#### Ollie

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In the video he says you can look ahead like crazy in the edgepairing step, i find this is the step where i never look ahead. Maybe i should work on that?
Yes you can, but maybe practice the 3x3x3 stage some more. It seems slow considering you already have the cross solved.