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TheCubingCuber347's POGression thread. | Learning NCLL

Are you faster than me?


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I need to do a daily sub 20 ao12 quest.
You also need to be more active on the forums Donovan.

I might as well post my Ao5 I got in our mock ML.
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Day 7:
I didn't get to do it for a couple days due to camping.

Here's the best Ao5 today,
Generated By csTimer on 2021-08-19
avg of 5: 16.05

Time List:
5. 18.76
6. 13.22
7. 14.78
8. 16.54
9. 16.83

During my weekly mock ML with Donovan I got a 12.38 full step single, tied my PB Mo3, and got a sub-17 17/18 mean during the match.
 
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I think this deserves an update. I ended the challenge as the Ao5 became almost trivial. I actually got a couple sub-17 Ao100s.

Here's some current screenshots.

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I've been focusing on 2x2 a lot lately and have lowered my times from 4.7-8 to 4.4 on average. My 5x5 times (which I don't practice as much as I thought I would) have lowered from struggling to get sub-2:50 to Sub-2:35 and I can definitely keep going. 4x4 I average 1:20 and am really close to being sub-1:20. My OH time are all over the place as I don't practice it much and my Master Pyra time plummeted from 1:30 to 1:00-1:05 but the last time I did an Ao5 I hurt my wrist and am currently on a short break from cubing.
 
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Currently learning NCLL. I learned L and U and am currently working on T. I'll save A and AS for last. r2 D r' U r D' r2 B r U' r' B' is a really neat alg for "Solved" (diag swap) but I'm having trouble getting the time down to what I average on Y-perm.

Finally got a hold of my Megaminx and had to relearn all the 4LLL cases that I know. After NCLL I'll try to learn full 4LL and then I will move on to L5EP for Nautilus. After that I will look at about 1-2 hundred example solve for FB to get an idea of what to look for and then I'm hoping to start transitioning to Nautilus.

I've been using the Valk Elite after I set it up and will be doing most solves on it until I feel like setting up my MS. I set it to strong magnets and strong elasticity and it's really nice. So controllable.
 

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Tip #1: Get the valk 5 and some DNM37. Re-lube it every 10-15 solves with a drop or two. This will keep it incredibly fast, and you can do longer sessions
Tip #2: Switch to Hoya for 4x4 and 5x5. Besides being better than redux and Yau, it is also a lot more fun, and will help keep you interested in the event.
Tip #4: Don't use nautilus as your main method unless you are ok with being slow for a long time. Use it as a secondary method, that you can use when you get a good scramble.
 
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Tip #1: Get the Valk 5 and some DNM37. Re-lube it every 10-15 solves with a drop or two. This will keep it incredibly fast, and you can do longer sessions
10-15 solves bit a bit much, maybe every 25. I prioritize controllability over speed so it's not like I want it insanely fast all the and there wouldn't be a ton I could take advantage of with the speed of DNM on 5x5 given my times. I find my current set-up on 5x5 great. I did previously have DNM so I know when the right time for me to use it is.
Tip #2: Switch to Hoya for 4x4 and 5x5. Besides being better than redux and Yau, it is also a lot more fun, and will help keep you interested in the event.
I honestly haven't been really interested enough to get good at Yau and I have never tried Hoya. If I decide to step up my medium cube game then I'd definitely do it, maybe Yau for 4x4 and Hoya on 5x5.
Tip #4: Don't use Nautilus as your main method unless you are ok with being slow for a long time. Use it as a secondary method, that you can use when you get a good scramble.
So I'm just supposed to use boring vanilla CFOP until after about 500 solve spaced out over many months? If I mainly use CFOP I'll never catch up with to it with Nautilus since all my practice is going towards CFOP. If I only use it with good scrambles the techniques won't drill into my mind as fast if at all. Of course I'm going to be slow with Nautilus at first. You always are if using a new method. I'm cubing for fun, not to be world-class. I think Nautilus is a fun and interesting method and I genuinely want to switch to it. If I'm really slow for a few months that's fine because I'll be enjoying myself more. No I probably won't learn a Nautilus big cube method but for 3x3 I don't think I need to be advised to "not use it". Maybe it's not for everyone but I stated how I wanted to transition and I am aware of all the downsides.

Edit: You also said that Hoya, a less popular and proven method with fewer resources is better than Yau, a more popular, proven, more resourced method but then say that I should be wary of Nautilus, a method with very few resources and users, and that I probably shouldn't main it over CFOP, the most popular, resourced, proven method.
 

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Edit: You also said that Hoya, a less popular and proven method with fewer resources is better than Yau, a more popular, proven, more resourced method but then say that I should be wary of Nautilus, a method with very few resources and users, and that I probably shouldn't main it over CFOP, the most popular, resourced, proven method.
As long as you are not trying to be very fast that is fine, but with a lesser known method, limits have not been set in place. Only now, after years of CFOP being the main method for thousands, are we starting to see where the limits are. The problem with a method like that is there could be a 7-8 second limit(which is fast, but not in comparison to the big 3), and you will have spent hours and hours of your life trying to get there.
If you are having fun, I'm not gonna try to discourage you, but if you ever want to get world class, I would let the method get more developed.
 
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As long as you are not trying to be very fast that is fine, but with a lesser known method, limits have not been set in place. Only now, after years of CFOP being the main method for thousands, are we starting to see where the limits are. The problem with a method like that is there could be a 7-8 second limit(which is fast, but not in comparison to the big 3), and you will have spent hours and hours of your life trying to get there.
The thing is, I'm not trying to get there. My goal is simply sub-15 if I never reach sub-10 then I'm perfectly fine with it.
If you are having fun, I'm not gonna try to discourage you, but if you ever want to get world class, I would let the method get more developed.
People have to be interested in the method for it to develop. It's got to start somewhere. I'm not going to wait around until the method loses it's mystery and you have several really fast users that I'll never compare with. One reason I'm so interested in Nautilus is that it's not as explored or proven.

I guess I'm more of a "cuber" not a speedcuber. I only learn things that will make it more enjoyable. I'll never learn ZBLL simply because I don't have interest. If I wanted to be world-class I'd stick with CFOP and eventually learn ZBLL but at that point it will just feel forced and not like a hobby.
 

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The thing is, I'm not trying to get there. My goal is simply sub-15 if I never reach sub-10 then I'm perfectly fine with it.

People have to be interested in the method for it to develop. It's got to start somewhere. I'm not going to wait around until the method loses it's mystery and you have several really fast users that I'll never compare with. One reason I'm so interested in Nautilus is that it's not as explored or proven.
Alright! Have fun then and keep us updated!
 

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Because Nautilus is quite similar to Roux, I think you can get a relatively good idea as to the potential of the method. I would say that if it's slower, it's only by about 0.5 seconds at most, which isn't that big of a deal.
 
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NCLL is now learned I had a 2 week delay because of school and sickness but I did it. Much faster than what it took me for PLL.

Next step is L5EP which should be very easy since the average movecount is 7.38 and on top of that I already know EPLL and the trivial case making it only 11 cases to learn. After that I'll learn how to plan a somewhat efficient FB (~8) during inspection and than I think I'll be confident enough to switch.

On the CFOP side I now average well under 17 seconds and often get sub-16.

One question I have is, is there a Document or set of algs for Nautilus LS or should I just brute force good solutions?
 

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A word of advice on L5EP: If you just learn the beginning of the algorithm, the last trigger is always intuitive.

So, for example, in the spreadsheet you just linked, if you look at the bottom right case (called a Qb permutation), you just need to learn/memorize:

U (M' U2 M) U ...

Looking at the top of the cube at this point, the rest will be intuitive.

It will either be: (M' U2 M), (M U2 M'), (M' U2 M'), or (M U2 M).

Learning L5EP this way is only 5 algs (and one of those 5 is just a mirror of another).
 
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I wish a company would make a modern 57 mm 3x3. *sigh* That would feel so nice for us people with bigger hands/wings. An even better thing would be a mix, a 3x3 with adjustable size. 55.5, 56, and 56.5 mm. It offer a compromise between people who like smaller cubes and those with large hands. 55.5 to 57 would be to large of a difference but not many younger cubers would want a 3x3 that's 57mm.

I got a little to cocky and ended up forgetting S, AS, and Pi so I'm going to take a break from learning algs and try to ingrain it deep into my memory.
 

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NCLL is now learned I had a 2 week delay because of school and sickness but I did it. Much faster than what it took me for PLL.

Next step is L5EP which should be very easy since the average movecount is 7.38 and on top of that I already know EPLL and the trivial case making it only 11 cases to learn. After that I'll learn how to plan a somewhat efficient FB (~8) during inspection and than I think I'll be confident enough to switch.

On the CFOP side I now average well under 17 seconds and often get sub-16.

One question I have is, is there a Document or set of algs for Nautilus LS or should I just brute force good solutions?
I actually made an alg sheet, but it isn't polished yet. It's kinda an forgotten project of mine. I could try to finish it today. Or just give you the unpolished one
 
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