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Does anyone know when the first official optimal FMC solution was achieved in comp?
 

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Hey,
what do you think is the best way to solve corners after DR.
I tried hardly but i can´t do this intuitively. Is ther a way to do this or maybe a full PDF with all cases?
https://www.speedsolving.com/threads/fmc-a-guide-for-finding-htrs-once-youve-found-a-dr.87220/
There's this, but I haven't really understood it yet
and the pdf referenced above : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lYQnaF1VuiR7EDfi1DUcIJM0FYC2B3mo/view

Does anybody know how to do the edges for HTR apart from U-perms?
 

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Hey all,

Last night was pretty crazy for me, and if any of you check the fewest moves facebook group, you'll have likely seen why. Out of a random scramble I managed to beat my FMC PB by 4 moves and set what I believe is a new UWR single.

R' U' F L2 D2 R2 F2 U L2 D F2 R2 D' B2 F L2 F2 L D' R2 D2 L2 F2 R' U' F
(B' R F U' L') //EO (5/5)
(F) //DR-4E4C (1/6)
L2 D F' //DR (3/9)
U' B2 U' R2 D U //3C (6/15)

L2 D F' @ U' B2 U' R2 D U F' L U F' R' B
@ = F2 U' B2 U F2 U' B2 U (8-6)

L2 D F U' B2 [U F2 U2 R2 D U] F' L U F' R' B
[] = D' F2 D2 R2 //LMAO

final: L2 D F U' B2 D' F2 D2 R2 F' L U F' R' B

Very very crazy solve, and I'm super proud, if not still blown away.
 

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Hey all,

Last night was pretty crazy for me, and if any of you check the fewest moves facebook group, you'll have likely seen why. Out of a random scramble I managed to beat my FMC PB by 4 moves and set what I believe is a new UWR single.

R' U' F L2 D2 R2 F2 U L2 D F2 R2 D' B2 F L2 F2 L D' R2 D2 L2 F2 R' U' F
(B' R F U' L') //EO (5/5)
(F) //DR-4E4C (1/6)
L2 D F' //DR (3/9)
U' B2 U' R2 D U //3C (6/15)

L2 D F' @ U' B2 U' R2 D U F' L U F' R' B
@ = F2 U' B2 U F2 U' B2 U (8-6)

L2 D F U' B2 [U F2 U2 R2 D U] F' L U F' R' B
[] = D' F2 D2 R2 //LMAO

final: L2 D F U' B2 D' F2 D2 R2 F' L U F' R' B

Very very crazy solve, and I'm super proud, if not still blown away.
Pog

Now do it in comp.
 
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Hey all,

Last night was pretty crazy for me, and if any of you check the fewest moves facebook group, you'll have likely seen why. Out of a random scramble I managed to beat my FMC PB by 4 moves and set what I believe is a new UWR single.

R' U' F L2 D2 R2 F2 U L2 D F2 R2 D' B2 F L2 F2 L D' R2 D2 L2 F2 R' U' F
(B' R F U' L') //EO (5/5)
(F) //DR-4E4C (1/6)
L2 D F' //DR (3/9)
U' B2 U' R2 D U //3C (6/15)

L2 D F' @ U' B2 U' R2 D U F' L U F' R' B
@ = F2 U' B2 U F2 U' B2 U (8-6)

L2 D F U' B2 [U F2 U2 R2 D U] F' L U F' R' B
[] = D' F2 D2 R2 //LMAO

final: L2 D F U' B2 D' F2 D2 R2 F' L U F' R' B

Very very crazy solve, and I'm super proud, if not still blown away.
This is indeed UWR, congratulations on being the first person to beat the sub-16 barrier! We now know it's humanly possible to find these insane solutions.
 

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solutions from FMC on a Madison Terrace 2022
20, 21, 28 = 23.00

1) R' U' F L' D2 L' R2 B2 R' F2 U2 L2 B' D B2 L' D2 B' D' U2 B R2 B' R' U' F
L B U F' // EO
(F2 U B2 R') // DR (8) 4q
(U') U B2 D R2 D // HTR (14)
R2 L2 B2 U2 R2 B2 // Finish (20)

Solution: L B U F' U B2 D R2 D R2 L2 B2 U2 R2 B2 U R B2 U' F2 (20)

comments:
- optimal after EO
- found the solution about 40 minutes in
- scramble is 18 optimal

2) R' U' F U2 F2 D' L2 U' R2 B2 U' L2 D2 B U B F L U R2 F U2 F R' U' F
F' D' R B' // EO
L' U // DR-4e4c x2
D2 R' B2 L' D' // DR (11)
R F2 @ L' // 14 to 2e2e + slice with an 8-3 :0

@ = F2 R B2 D2 F2 L B2 U2 // 19 to slice

after DR:
R2^ B2 D2 F2 L^ B2 @ U2 L'
^ = w
@ = M // 21 to solved

Solution: F' D' R B' L' U D2 R' B2 L' D' L2 F2 U2 B2 R U2 R L' U2 L' (21)

comments:
- very silly finish
- this attempt made a 20.00 official rolling mo3 (19, 20, 21)
- I found the solution in about 22 minutes, so I had time to check almost all the EOs I had, but I didn't find anything else decent
- scramble is 18 optimal

3) R' U' F R F' R2 U' B2 L2 R2 U' R2 D2 R D' R' D U2 F' U' L' D2 R' U' F
(R') U F' L' // EO
(B' L2 F R2 F' D) // DR (10) 3q
R2 B' U2 F' U2 B2 @ L2 B' L2 F2 U2 L2 // garbage 3e skeleton

@ = D2 B' L2 U2 R2 F' U2 L2 // garbage 8-2 (somehow this is optimal)

Solution: U F' L' R2 B' U2 F' U2 B2 D2 B' L2 U2 R2 F' U2 B' L2 F2 U2 L2 D' F R2 F' L2 B R (28)

comments:
I only needed 22 on this attempt to tie WR, so not finding anything decent was frustrating, especially since the scramble had lots of EO options. I definitely used too much time finding EOs (I spent the first 17 minutes writing about 70), and ended up not having time to check most of them.

optimal for the DR is 23, but it doesn't seem like something I could find

this was the first DR I wrote down, but since it's 12 moves and didn't look that great, I assumed I would find something better and disregarded it. It turns out there's a very findable 22 after switching to inverse:
(F' R U2 F' L') // EO
(B) D2 R2 D' R2 U' F' // DR (12)
(D' B2 D' B2 R2 D') // HTR (18)
(B2 U2 B2 L2 F2) // Finish (22)
:/

the scramble is 18 optimal
25, 23, 22 = 23.33

1) R' U' F R2 U R2 D' L' U' B' R2 U2 L2 B2 U' D2 B2 D L U' R D R' U' F
(U2 L R' U F') // EO
(L R' D' F2 D L') // DR (11) 2q
L2 F2 R2 D' B2 U // HTR (17)
R2 B2 R2 U' D' B2 U D // Finish (25)

Solution: L2 F2 R2 D' B2 U R2 B2 R2 U' D' B2 U D L D' F2 D R L' F U R L' U2 (25)

comments:
premade square tripped me up lol
I spent too long on block starts and had no idea what I was doing for the rest of the attempt

optimal for my DR is 24, but it doesn't seem like I could have found it

optimal for the scramble is 18 and is somewhat reasonable:
R2 U' B2 R' B' // EO
(U' L' U R D2 R D) // DR (11)
(U2 R F2 L U2 F2) // Finish (18)

2) R' U' F D' F2 U' L' U B D' F U' R2 F2 D2 F2 D2 R' D2 F2 B2 L F R' U' F
L2 U' F' R // EO
(U F') B2 U B2 U' D2 F' L2 @ F' // DR (14) lol
U' R2 D2 F2 L2 U // 20 to 2e2e

@ = L2 F2 R2 F2 L2 B2 // 6-3

Solution: L2 U' F' R B2 U B2 U' D2 F R2 F2 L2 B2 F' U' R2 D2 F2 L2 U F U' (23)

comments:
kind of dumb but whatever :)

scramble is 18 optimal

3) R' U' F R B2 U' L2 D U B2 D' B2 R B' F L' B2 R F2 D L2 F' R' U' F
(D2 R2 D R') // EO
(D' B' U' B2 U) // DR (9) 4q
(F) R2 B' @ L2 D2 B' D2 B // HTR (17)
L2 D2 // 19 to 2e2e

@ = B2 R2 B2 L2 F2 L2 // 6-3

Solution: R2 B R2 B2 L2 F2 D2 B' D2 B L2 D2 F' U' B2 U B D R D' R2 D2 (22)

comments:
I noticed at the start of the attempt that U2 F B makes 2 squares, and you can make a 2x2x3 in 6 with U2 D' (D'), but I stopped myself from looking at block starts after 6 minutes

F U2 B U B was a nice EO, there are tons of DR variations with good corners that I looked at
21 is possible from this one:
F U2 B U B // EO
(U R2 D2 R) U R' B2 R' // DR (13)
B2 D' B2 R2 B2 D' R2 U // Finish (21)

I found the 9 move DR with like 8 minutes left, but I managed to find the solution in just a few minutes :)
optimal for the DR is 21, but I'm satisfied with my solution

scramble is 17 optimal
22, 24, 25 = 23.67

1) R' U' F U R F2 L2 U' D' L2 F' U L D2 R F2 U2 L2 F2 L' D2 R2 B2 R' U' F
(R' U' F') // EO
(U') U2 B2 U2 L2 R D // DR (10) 1q
L B2 D2 R' U2 D2 L' // HTR (17)
R2 D2 R2 B2 D2 // Finish (22)

Solution: U2 B2 U2 L2 R D L B2 D2 R' U2 D2 L' R2 D2 R2 B2 D2 U F U R (22)

comments:
- optimal after DR
- scramble is 17 optimal
- found the solution 30 minutes in
- I checked about 58 EOs and this was the only decent DR I had

2) R' U' F D2 L' U' F' U2 R2 D2 F' R2 F L D' F' R2 D2 F U F' R' U' F
(L R' B R') // EO
(F) F2 D2 B2 U B2 U' B // DR (12)
F2 U ^ R2 U2 R2 F2 @ D2 ^ // 19 to 4c + slice

@ = F2 R2 U' L2 D B2 R2 D' L2 U // 4c alg with big cancel
^ = E2 // solve slice

Solution: F2 D2 B2 U B2 U' B F2 U' D2 L2 U R2 D F2 L2 D' R2 U' F' R B' R L' (24)

comments:
optimal after DR

wrote about 60 EOs and I think I checked most, but I didn't find anything good :(

scramble is 18 optimal

3) R' U' F D' L' B2 L U2 B2 U2 L2 D2 R' B D' L B' R' U' B' R' F D R' U' F
(F' L2 D' B) // EO
F2 L (L2 D R2 B2 U D' R) // DR (13)
(D' F2 U R2 L2 D2 L2 D L2 F2 U') // 24 to slice

after DR:
U F2 L2 D' L2 D2 L2 R2 [U' F2 D]
[] = D' L2 U' D2 // 25 to solved

Solution: F2 L U F2 L2 D' L2 D2 L2 R2 D' L2 U' D2 R' D U' B2 R2 D' L2 B' D L2 F (25)

comments:
annoying scramble :/ Even though the EO is 6/6/6, I only found about 33 EOs and after checking all of them, I didn't find any DRs under 12 moves.

with less than 2 minutes left I found 22 to slice on a different DR:
R2 F (R U F') // EO
(U D' R' L2 D L D') // DR (12) 2q
(L' U2 R') // HTR-2e
(U2 D2 R F2 D2 F2 R) // 22 to slice

and I tried to quickly insert it, but I couldn't even find a bad combination of slice insertions that worked. 24 (optimal for the DR) is possible by making 3 moves wide and inserting a slice that adds 2.

optimal for the scramble is 18
didn't get any good means but I beat all rolling average WRs:
20.00 mo3
21.67 avg5
22.10 avg12
22.52 avg25
23.64 avg50
26.43 avg100 (lol)
 

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This is so stupid that it's actually infuriating: Speed FMC PB single, 34.82 (26 moves in 8:49.34), from the just-expired weekly comp.

Scramble: R' U' F L2 B2 F L2 B' L2 R2 F' U' L' U' F D L2 D' L' D U' F' R' U' F

U2 R B' R B' L' // 222 (6/6)
R' B U2 B' R2 // 223 (5/11)
U' F2 // F2L-1 (2/13)
F U F' U L' U' L // ZBLS (7-1/19)
L' U R' U' R2 D B2 D' R' L U' // ZBLL (11-4/26)

Mediocre 222 but everything after that just fell together. Huge time loss (well, a few minutes) because I was trying to recall the ZBLL, and another huge time loss because for some reason I initially wrote the first move as D2 instead of U2. This could very well have been a 4-minute solve if I didn't suck!

(Also kind of terrifying that out of 6 normal FMC and 10 speed FMC attempts in the past two weeks, this is the only sub-30 I managed to get.)
 
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Not especially good, but still decent compared to my other recent attempts. All three were EO, then blockbuilding, then insertion(s) – the classical method of the pre-DR era.

scramble:
B2 D' F2 U' L' D' R2 U2 B' F D' L2 R' B D L2 B2

solution:
B' U' D' R B' U' B2 L R2 B2
R D2 U R2 U' D L D L' D
F2 U' R U F2 D R B2


exp:
B' U' D' R B' // EO; square + pairs (5/5)
U' B2 L // 222 (3/8)
R2 B2 R D2 // wrong axis 223 (4/12)
U R2 U' @ R B2 // ab2c2e (5/17)

@ = D L D L' D F2 U' R U F2 D // J perm setup (11/28)

Spent a fair amount of time on pure blockbuilding starts (look at those free pairs!) before giving up on that idea.
scramble:
D' U' F2 U2 L' D' U2 L U' B' L R U' R D U R2 F

solution:
Bw Dw' Bw' Rw' Uw Bw Lw' Fw Rw2 Lw'
Fw' Bw' Lw Rw Uw2 Lw2 Rw' Uw2 Lw' Fw'
Dw Lw' Fw' Uw Lw2 Bw2 Dw' Rw2 Uw'
… is what I would have treated as my final solution if I was in the mood for trolling, but I didn't have the courage to actually do it.

real solution:
F R' D' L' D R D' B L2 R'
U' D' L R F2 L2 R' U2 R' D'
R U' R' D R2 B2 U' B2 U'


exp:
F @ D' L' B // EO (4/4)
L2 R' // pairs (2/6)
U' D' L R F2 L2 // wrong axis 223 (6/12)
R' U # R // EO again; square (3/15)
B2 U' B2 U' // ab5c (4/19)

@ = [R', D' L' D] // 4 cancel (8-4/23)
# = [U, R' D' R] // 2 cancel (8-2/29)

Found the 29 early, so I had plenty of time to mess around.
scramble:
B D L U2 F2 R2 F2 D' R' D2 L' U' R B R2 U' L U2

solution:
R U' B' D B U2 B' D' U' L'
U' R' B2 U' B2 L D' L' R' D2
R D R D2 R D R' D2 R D
R'


exp:
R U @ B' // EO (3/3)
U' L' U' // square (3/6)
R' B2 U' B2 // 222 (4/10)
L D' L' // 223 (3/13)
R' D2 R D R // F2L-1 (5/18)
D2 R D R' D2 R D R' // ab3c (8/26)
@ = [U2, B' D B] // 3 cancel (8-3/31)

Struggled to find a passable skeleton for this. 26 to 3c is pretty jank (and the 3c case at the end is a 10-mover; usually those have bad insertions) but luckily the insertion is just a normal 8-move comm with 3 cancel.

Had a 17 to 4c3e which is borderline but I didn't find a good insertion from there.
R U B' // EO (3/3)
(D2 B2 D) U // p222 (4/7)
R' D B2 L' // p223 (4/11)
R D R' D L' R2 // align; ab3c1t3e (6/17)
 

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22.67 mean from Pittsburgh Fall 2022 (PR but sad):

R' U' F L' D2 F2 D' R F' B' R' L2 D2 B2 R2 F2 D' B2 U2 R2 B' D R' U' F
L' B2 F2 L // EO
B U' R2 F' D' // DR (9)
(B) L2 B D2 B // HTR (14)
F2 L2 F2 B2 D2 // 2e2e (19)
R2 B2 R2 B2 R2 B2 // finish (25)
Take out B F2 and F2 B2 and then resolve slice for 22

Comments: I took a long break from FMC (with DR at least, I will always be of the opinion that blocks are more fun) after NAC and only did like 4 actual DR attempts in the 5 months between NAC and this comp. As a result, I spent way too much time fumbling around with HTR on this DR and not enough time checking more EOs, though I'm not sure if I would've beaten a 22 with proper time management anyway.
R' U' F U R B2 U' D2 B' D2 R' B2 U' B R2 F' R2 D2 L2 F U2 F2 R' U' F
R' L2 F' // EO
D2 // sq
L' U2 L2 // 2 more sqs
F2 R F2 U2 // F2L-1
L2 U' L U L2 D U' L' U L D' // LL skip lol (22)

Comments: I don't know what happened for half of this attempt, I literally wrote down two DRs and neither had good corners, just a lot of blocks. I got too distracted by the blocks on this scramble and at 40 minutes had nothing, then found this by around 43 minutes and just submitted to use the bathroom :p
R' U' F L2 U2 B F L2 D2 B2 R' B R2 B' D' B R2 D2 U R' U' R' U' F
D F U' B // EO
R2 L2 U' R U2 R // DR (10)
(D2 B2 D B2 U' * R2 D' F2 D2) // 2e2e (19)
*: B2 U2 B2 U2 B2 U2 (6-1)

funny thing I found:
R' D F U' B // EO
F2 R2 L2 D2 (L2 D U2) // F2L (12)

Comments: This solve makes the mean extremely bittersweet for me. I found this 24 about 20 minutes in so I knew that I had clinched sub-23 and was relatively relaxed for the rest of the attempt, perhaps too much so since I spent a non-negligible amount of time on the 2 move square (lol). I ended up missing a fairly obvious 23 off my DR, which cost me 22.33, but worse than this, Owen Widdis got a 19 that was *very* obvious after R D F' U' B, an EO I didn't check because of random time-wasting throughout the attempt, checking R' first, and, again, getting too distracted by blocks. Being literally a ' away from WR hurts but I can't complain too much about jumping from 23.67 to 22.67 on almost no practice.
 

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I wanna try FMC. Where do I start?
You can start by learning more methods, and using a combination of them to get the shortest solution. I started directly by using blockbuilding (requires some knowledge on how turning one piece affects the other, not too hard to get the hang of), then finishing off with CFOP last layer. Blockbuilding+optimal OLL and PLL algorithms can make your solutions sub-50 to sub-45 moves.

After you are sufficiently proficient with blockbuilding, you can begin learning NISS. I'm using NISS and blockbuilding + CFOP LL, but usually I can find a solution with either a skip or a ZBLL that I know. This can get you to sub-40. After NISS you can start with the advanced FMC things like DR and insertions.
 
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Does anybody have a list of DR Triggers that I can use? I just started learning DR. I'm starting to get the concepts but it is still a bit confusing.
 

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I wanna try FMC. Where do I start?
Start with just using blockbuilding. You’ll want to then learn about pure comms, skeletons, and using insertions. Then you can start doing EO first and learn to use NISS. That’s all you need to get sub30s.
If you decide you like FMC you then go down the DR to HTR rabbit hole.
 
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