#### tseitsei

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Does anyone know why you are limited to 3 cubes in FMC. Thoughts on if this should change?
So it doesn't become an arms race. Solving and rescrambling the cube takes time. Time is really valuable. So someone might bring 100 cubes if there was no limit so he/she would never have to waste time solving a cube before rescrambling it. They could just take a fresh cube. Now everyone does not have 100 cubes availible so that would give unfair advantage to those with extra cubes. Having a limit makes the event more inclusive and fair for everyone

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#### WoowyBaby

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Reposting from Facebook for anyone not in the FM group.

Reconstructions of my 22.00 PR Mo3 at Minnesota Qualifier 2024

A1- 23
R' U' F R2 B R2 U' F2 R2 U' R2 B2 F2 U B' F U' L' B F R' F' R' U' F

6/6/4 0
R B' U' F’ R // EO, DR-8c8e (5)
U' R2 D F B // DR, 4a3 4e (10)
D2 L2 D'* (L2 D2* L2 F2 D'* F2 D) // HTR (20)
(F2 D2* L2) // 23 to Slice
*widen (+0/23)

Optimal after DR. I’m quite pleased with this solve, given it felt like a worse than average scramble. There are a few variants of this 8c8e DR, but they’re all 23 optimal. I didn’t really have much else.

A2- 23
R' U' F L U' L D L2 F D2 L2 U2 F R2 B F2 U' L2 B2 D' F' R' U2 R' U' F

6/4/6 0
R (U B R) // EO, DR-4c4e (4)
U D F2 B2 U' F' // DR, 4a1 4e (10)
(R' L' D2 R L' U') // HTR (6-2=4/14)
L2 B2 U2 L2 B2 U2 L2 // 21 to Slice
[U2 L2 U]->[U D F2 U2 D'] (+2/23)

This one is a bit iffy. I finished writing my solution with no seconds to spare and almost DNF’d due to bad handwriting. For some reason I missed that you could do the DR without the parallel move, so it would’ve been 9 to DR. And, since it gives a different slice, it’s solvable in +1 instead of +2. So I missed a 21 here. I’m not too mad though, since it’s very rare to have a mo3 where everything’s perfect. I’m glad I actually got sub-24 here and not DNF.

A3- 20
R' U' F L' U L2 F2 L2 U2 D R B2 L' B2 U2 R2 B D2 B U2 B2 R' U' F

8/8/6 1
F R D L // EO, DR-4c4e (4)
F2 U R2 B' // DR, 4a1 4e ( 8 )
(B2 L2 F2 R2 D) // HTR (13)
(R2 B2 U2 B2 U2 R2) // 19 to Slice
[U2 B2 U2 B2 R2 D']->[D2 F2 U D R2 F2 U'] (+1/20)

Optimal after EO. This is the star of the show. 8 moves to 1qt. I found this DR pretty early in and literally didn’t check half my EOs. There’s another DR in 8 by starting with L2 B2, and I tried 9-move extensions as well, but they weren’t better. Mallard doesn’t find better than this 20, so I found the best possible solution. Lowering my PR single from 22 to 20 feels amazing.

Overall, this 22.00 mo3 is exactly what I wanted from this competition. My practice had paid off. Even though there’s still a gap between me and wen/jay/radek/LMR/shota/etc, I have a high enough ability to win competitions against top level players and I get sub-23 mo3’s very commonly at home. I have more official FMC coming up, and to be completely honest I do not expect to beat this, but I’ll do my best.

#### SkewbIsTheBestEvent

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Reposting from Facebook for anyone not in the FM group.

Reconstructions of my 22.00 PR Mo3 at Minnesota Qualifier 2024

A1- 23
R' U' F R2 B R2 U' F2 R2 U' R2 B2 F2 U B' F U' L' B F R' F' R' U' F

6/6/4 0
R B' U' F’ R // EO, DR-8c8e (5)
U' R2 D F B // DR, 4a3 4e (10)
D2 L2 D'* (L2 D2* L2 F2 D'* F2 D) // HTR (20)
(F2 D2* L2) // 23 to Slice
*widen (+0/23)

Optimal after DR. I’m quite pleased with this solve, given it felt like a worse than average scramble. There are a few variants of this 8c8e DR, but they’re all 23 optimal. I didn’t really have much else.

A2- 23
R' U' F L U' L D L2 F D2 L2 U2 F R2 B F2 U' L2 B2 D' F' R' U2 R' U' F

6/4/6 0
R (U B R) // EO, DR-4c4e (4)
U D F2 B2 U' F' // DR, 4a1 4e (10)
(R' L' D2 R L' U') // HTR (6-2=4/14)
L2 B2 U2 L2 B2 U2 L2 // 21 to Slice
[U2 L2 U]->[U D F2 U2 D'] (+2/23)

This one is a bit iffy. I finished writing my solution with no seconds to spare and almost DNF’d due to bad handwriting. For some reason I missed that you could do the DR without the parallel move, so it would’ve been 9 to DR. And, since it gives a different slice, it’s solvable in +1 instead of +2. So I missed a 21 here. I’m not too mad though, since it’s very rare to have a mo3 where everything’s perfect. I’m glad I actually got sub-24 here and not DNF.

A3- 20
R' U' F L' U L2 F2 L2 U2 D R B2 L' B2 U2 R2 B D2 B U2 B2 R' U' F

8/8/6 1
F R D L // EO, DR-4c4e (4)
F2 U R2 B' // DR, 4a1 4e ( 8 )
(B2 L2 F2 R2 D) // HTR (13)
(R2 B2 U2 B2 U2 R2) // 19 to Slice
[U2 B2 U2 B2 R2 D']->[D2 F2 U D R2 F2 U'] (+1/20)

Optimal after EO. This is the star of the show. 8 moves to 1qt. I found this DR pretty early in and literally didn’t check half my EOs. There’s another DR in 8 by starting with L2 B2, and I tried 9-move extensions as well, but they weren’t better. Mallard doesn’t find better than this 20, so I found the best possible solution. Lowering my PR single from 22 to 20 feels amazing.

Overall, this 22.00 mo3 is exactly what I wanted from this competition. My practice had paid off. Even though there’s still a gap between me and wen/jay/radek/LMR/shota/etc, I have a high enough ability to win competitions against top level players and I get sub-23 mo3’s very commonly at home. I have more official FMC coming up, and to be completely honest I do not expect to beat this, but I’ll do my best.
Insane Result, Congrats!

#### Silky

##### Member
Does anyone have Heise's 24 move FMC solution from his website? The 'replay' no long works

#### tseitsei

##### Member
Ongoing weekly comp 333.fm scramble 2 spoiler.

R' U' F B R L' B' L2 F' B' L D R' F2 R' B2 R' B2 R2 U2 L' U2 L' B2 R' U' F

solve: U B U2 D' R U2 D' L U L D' L2 D' F2 B2 L2 U R2 F2 R2 (20)

Amazing scramble! 2 move eo and found 2 promising 10 move DRs in 20 minutes:

U B' //EO 2/10
L U' //RZP 4/10
L D2 R F2 L2 D //DR 4b2 0e 10/10

And

U B //EO 2/10
U2 D' R //RZP 3c2e 5/10
U2 D' L U L //DR 2c3 4e 10/10

At this point I decided to stop searching for DRs and use the remaining time to
try and find optimals for those 2 DRs and hope for the best.

Best part of this solve was that I was actually able to find optimal continuations for both DRs!

1st one:
U B' //EO 2/22
L U' //RZP 4/22
L D2 R F2 L2 D //DR 4b2 0e 10/22
L' (F2 B2 R2 D2 L^) //HTR 16/22
(F' B L2 F B' *) //leave slice 21/22
^=w
*=M' //21+1=22

2nd one:
U B //EO 2/20
U2 D' R //RZP 3c2e 5/20
U2 D' L U L //DR 2c3 4e 10/20
U^' F2 U^' F2 B2 R2 U //HTR 17/20
L2 B2 L2 //leave slice 20/20
^=w //20+0=20

Really good scramble and really happy that I was able to find optimal on both DRs!

#### bcube

##### Member
Does anyone have Heise's 24 move FMC solution from his website? The 'replay' no long works

This is what Ryan´s Java applet is showing (redundant cube rotation are not shown). Note that he is probably counting moves 3 and 4 as one move (the reason for this might be that they are both on the same axis).

Edit: it is actually a 22 move solution because if cancelling moves are not considered, the solution is following:

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#### tseitsei

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PB mo3: 20, 26, 22 = 22.66

Scramles are from 333.fm and fewest-moves.info weekly comps so dont look if you dont want spoilers.

#1 (the single I posted a few messages earlier)
R' U' F B R L' B' L2 F' B' L D R' F2 R' B2 R' B2 R2 U2 L' U2 L' B2 R' U' F

solve: U B U2 D' R U2 D' L U L D' L2 D' F2 B2 L2 U R2 F2 R2 (20)

Amazing scramble! 2 move eo and found 2 promising 10 move DRs in 20 minutes:

U B' //EO 2/10
L U' //RZP 4/10
L D2 R F2 L2 D //DR 4b2 0e 10/10

And

U B //EO 2/10
U2 D' R //RZP 3c2e 5/10
U2 D' L U L //DR 2c3 4e 10/10

At this point I decided to stop searching for DRs and use the remaining time to
try and find optimals for those 2 DRs and hope for the best.

Best part of this solve was that I was actually able to find optimal continuations for both DRs!

1st one:
U B' //EO 2/22
L U' //RZP 4/22
L D2 R F2 L2 D //DR 4b2 0e 10/22
L' (F2 B2 R2 D2 L^) //HTR 16/22
(F' B L2 F B' *) //leave slice 21/22
^=w
*=M' //21+1=22

2nd one:
U B //EO 2/20
U2 D' R //RZP 3c2e 5/20
U2 D' L U L //DR 2c3 4e 10/20
U^' F2 U^' F2 B2 R2 U //HTR 17/20
L2 B2 L2 //leave slice 20/20
^=w //20+0=20

Really good scramble and really happy that I was able to find optimal on both DRs!

#2
R' U' F U2 L2 U F2 L2 R2 D' L2 U B2 U2 L B D' U F D' L' B' D L R' U' F

D2 R B2 U2 B2 R' L B2 L D2 L' U2 F' B' D2 B F2 L2 F2 L' B' U' F' L R D' (26)

(D R' L' F U) //EO 5/26
(B) //RZP 4c4e 6/26
(L F2 L2 F) //DR 2c3 6e 10/26 (L' F2 L2 F) also gives similar DR
D2 L^ U2 F2 U2 * B2 L D2 L' //HTR 19/26
U2 F' B' D2 B F' //leave slice 24/26

^=w
*=M' //24+2 = 26

Really bad finish. There was a 12 move solution and few 13 movers from DR but those were REALLY tricky to find quickly enough but I definitely should have found a 14 move finish but somehow panicked and missed it. Plus bad luck with slice insertion being +2.

#3
R' U' F B2 D2 B2 U' L2 D2 B2 D R2 U' R' D2 L R2 D2 F' D' L B F2 U2 R' U' F

B2 U2 L' B2 L' R' D2 L' F2 B2 U L2 U' L D2 L R D' B L2 R' F' (22)

(F R L2 B') //EO 4/22
(D) //RZP 4c2e 5/22
(R' L' D2 L' U L2 U') //DR 4b2 2e 12/22 U L2 U' = D F2 D' also gives similar DR
B2 U2 L' B2 L2 * F2 R^' //HTR 19/22
F2 B2 //leave slice 21/22

^=w
*=M' //21+1=22

This is optimal from DR!

D F2 D' variation of DR is 11 moves optimal from DR so all in all my solution is optimal from the 2 DRs I had

#### precompsubwr

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I just got a 29 as my fifth ever FMC solve and I didn't even use NISS or insertions or anything like that, just block building and lots of luck

R' U' F D2 B2 R2 U2 B2 U' R2 U L2 U2 L D2 F2 R' U2 B L' D R' U' F

D' F2 U R2 U' // 2x2x2 (5)
B R F B' D' R D' // 2x2x3 (7/12)
F2 R D R2 D' R2 D R D' // weird F2L-1 (9/21)
F L U L' F2 L U' L' // last pair + last layer (8/29)

Full solution
D' F2 U R2 U' B R F B' D' R D' F2 R D R2 D' R2 D R D' F L U L' F2 L U' L'

D' F2: pair the pair at DFR/DR
U R2 U': insert into 2x2x2 block at white/orange/blue sides
B R F: pair the square at DF/DFR/DR
B': realign 2x2x2 block
D' R D': align square and insert cross edge at BR
F2 R: pair the pair at DF/DFR
D R2 D' R2: take out the pair and cancel into sledgehammer
D R D': finish sledgehammer to insert pair and F2L-1
F L U L' F2 L U' L': basically a commutator for last pair to cancel oll or last layer entirely

i am in shock rn, pb before this was 33

#### tseitsei

##### Member
I just got a 29 as my fifth ever FMC solve and I didn't even use NISS or insertions or anything like that, just block building and lots of luck

R' U' F D2 B2 R2 U2 B2 U' R2 U L2 U2 L D2 F2 R' U2 B L' D R' U' F

D' F2 U R2 U' // 2x2x2 (5)
B R F B' D' R D' // 2x2x3 (7/12)
F2 R D R2 D' R2 D R D' // weird F2L-1 (9/21)
F L U L' F2 L U' L' // last pair + last layer (8/29)

Full solution
D' F2 U R2 U' B R F B' D' R D' F2 R D R2 D' R2 D R D' F L U L' F2 L U' L'

D' F2: pair the pair at DFR/DR
U R2 U': insert into 2x2x2 block at white/orange/blue sides
B R F: pair the square at DF/DFR/DR
B': realign 2x2x2 block
D' R D': align square and insert cross edge at BR
F2 R: pair the pair at DF/DFR
D R2 D' R2: take out the pair and cancel into sledgehammer
D R D': finish sledgehammer to insert pair and F2L-1
F L U L' F2 L U' L': basically a commutator for last pair to cancel oll or last layer entirely

i am in shock rn, pb before this was 33
Nice! The end really reminds me of my old PB single where I finished by inserting a pair commutator just like that. It was my first sub 20 back then at 19 moves

#### asacuber

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Nice! The end really reminds me of my old PB single where I finished by inserting a pair commutator just like that. It was my first sub 20 back then at 19 moves
hey same here! my current pb single is a 19 using a pair commutator, and it's my only sub 20 ever

#### precompsubwr

##### Member
Second post: I beat my 29 with a 26???

R' U' F L' U2 B2 U2 R2 D' L2 U2 L2 B2 R2 F R' B L' R' D' F U L2 U' R' U' F

L R B' // EO (3)
L' D' F2 D // pseudo block (4/7)
(D) // align block (1/8)
(U L' U L U' L2 U L) // 2x2x3 (8/16)
(F2 U2 F2 R U' R' U2 L' U2 L) // finished?? (10/26)

I'll get to this later

Full solution: L R B' L' D' F2 D L' U2 L U2 R U R' F2 U2 F2 L' U' L2 U L' U' L U' D'

So about the F2 in bold, this isn't a move I would normally think of doing but I just couldn't find anything good, so I did some random moves that don't affect EO or the blocks to see if that would get me anywhere, and I found F2 which would solve the cube in 9 more moves. Really happy with this solve, I don't think I'm beating this anytime soon

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#### precompsubwr

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Around a month ago I tried 4x4 FMC.
This inspired me to do my own 4x4 FMC attempt and I got 88 moves

Scramble: L2 D R2 D' F2 R2 D F2 R2 D L2 F B2 U F2 R F L2 U' D L' Fw2 D Rw2 B' Rw2 U2 B2 D' Uw2 Rw2 F' Fw2 U Rw' F2 Uw2 B2 D Rw' Fw U' Fw Uw Fw' Rw2
Fw2 U' Fw' D2 Rw L' Uw L2 Uw // HTR L/R centers (9)
U' Rw B2 D2 Rw2 D Rw' // HTR centers (16)
U2 L Uw2 // 2e (19)
Fw2 // +2e (20)
U2 L U Rw2 // +1e (24)
U B2 U B U B' U' Rw2 // +2e, solve F/B centers (32)
D' F B2 L Fw2 // +1e, make center bars (37) SUPER lucky
y'
B2 F L D B' L B F R F' Rw2 // reduction (48)

R U F' D' F' U' F2 U' F // 2x2x2 (57)
R' U' B2 F' U F // 2x2x3 (63)
L' B L // pseudo F2L-1 (66)
B' R B R' B R B' R' // last F2L (74)
L' B' D' B D2 L D' B' D' B D U // OLL, PLL skip, realign (88)

#### BVCuber13

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This inspired me to do my own 4x4 FMC attempt and I got 88 moves

Scramble: L2 D R2 D' F2 R2 D F2 R2 D L2 F B2 U F2 R F L2 U' D L' Fw2 D Rw2 B' Rw2 U2 B2 D' Uw2 Rw2 F' Fw2 U Rw' F2 Uw2 B2 D Rw' Fw U' Fw Uw Fw' Rw2
Fw2 U' Fw' D2 Rw L' Uw L2 Uw // HTR L/R centers (9)
U' Rw B2 D2 Rw2 D Rw' // HTR centers (16)
U2 L Uw2 // 2e (19)
Fw2 // +2e (20)
U2 L U Rw2 // +1e (24)
U B2 U B U B' U' Rw2 // +2e, solve F/B centers (32)
D' F B2 L Fw2 // +1e, make center bars (37) SUPER lucky
y'
B2 F L D B' L B F R F' Rw2 // reduction (48)

R U F' D' F' U' F2 U' F // 2x2x2 (57)
R' U' B2 F' U F // 2x2x3 (63)
L' B L // pseudo F2L-1 (66)
B' R B R' B R B' R' // last F2L (74)
L' B' D' B D2 L D' B' D' B D U // OLL, PLL skip, realign (88)
great result! how much time did you give yourself for this attempt?

#### Discomantis

##### Member
MASSIVE PB single!

Generated By csTimer on 2024-07-10
single: 23.00

Time List:
1. 23.00 R' U' F U' L' F' R F2 B' L D' R U2 R' F2 L2 B2 D2 R D2 R U2 L2 B' R' U' F

B L' B' R' // 2x2x2
L' F' L F' // EO
(L' B D' L' B2) // 2x2x3
(L D2 L' F L2 F' L D) // F2L -1
(L' F L F') // 3

Skeleton (8 moves cancel):
B L' B' R' D' L' F L2 F' L D2 L' B2 L* D B' L'

* = L' F R F' L F R' F'

Final solution:
B L' B' R' D' L' F L2 F' L D2 L' B2 F R' F' L F R F' D B' L

I also got my first ever sub-30 mean of 3 with a 29.33 PB Mean!

I didn't save the scramble to the first attempt, but it was 36, 29, 23

#### precompsubwr

##### Member
can someone who's actually good at fmc rate this 31 (eo + blockbuilding)

1. I looked at 2 EOs (not more because knowing me I would DNF due to time limit) and chose the better one, but they both gave 8 moves to 2x2x2 so I just chose the second one hoping for a better solution
2. Pseudo 2x2x3 bc why not, I also had a choice on F2L-1 between two variations of the same goal, I chose the one that makes a block to give me 5c
3. Making a real effort to find good insertions, I was able to cancel 5 moves in total giving me a 31

#### CornerTwisted

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Now everyone does not have 100 cubes availible so that would give unfair advantage to those with extra cubes. Having a limit makes the event more inclusive and fair for everyone
Technically wouldn't 3 be leaving people with less cubes at a disadvantage? And realistically shaving off like 10 seconds every time after the third you scramble wouldn't be entirely detrimental.

#### SkewbIsTheBestEvent

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can someone who's actually good at fmc rate this 31 (eo + blockbuilding)
View attachment 33227

1. I looked at 2 EOs (not more because knowing me I would DNF due to time limit) and chose the better one, but they both gave 8 moves to 2x2x2 so I just chose the second one hoping for a better solution
2. Pseudo 2x2x3 bc why not, I also had a choice on F2L-1 between two variations of the same goal, I chose the one that makes a block to give me 5c
3. Making a real effort to find good insertions, I was able to cancel 5 moves in total giving me a 31
yeah thats good

#### xyzzy

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Staff member
can someone who's actually good at fmc rate this 31 (eo + blockbuilding)
View attachment 33227

1. I looked at 2 EOs (not more because knowing me I would DNF due to time limit) and chose the better one, but they both gave 8 moves to 2x2x2 so I just chose the second one hoping for a better solution
2. Pseudo 2x2x3 bc why not, I also had a choice on F2L-1 between two variations of the same goal, I chose the one that makes a block to give me 5c
3. Making a real effort to find good insertions, I was able to cancel 5 moves in total giving me a 31
If that's your entire working paper, check like maybe 4 times as many things.

Also extending 222 to 223 can be done in three directions, but if you have EO already done, then only one of the directions is "good" (the two free faces don't break EO) and the other two directions are "bad" (one of the two free faces will break EO). It's not necessarily a bad idea to extend in the "wrong" direction, especially since sometimes that's the only reasonable option you have, but it's significantly harder to work with.

Also also, your skeleton is 20 to 5c, not 19 to 5c.