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Kirjava

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This post was crafted by Robert Yau and Kirjava in Google Docs.

17:25:19 < Robert> I just finished discovering that...
17:26:09 < Robert> 48/57 OLLs can be done using (sune variant), (U, U' , U2 or no move), (sune variant)
17:31:24 <+Kirjava> that's good
17:31:32 <+Kirjava> it means you can easily do the OLLCP subset where CP is already done
17:31:37 <+DanCohen> Holy **** sub-55 on 5x5x5 and on video!

Turns out, you can solve every case with Sune variations and some extra moves for alignment.

A lot of these algorithms are useful for OH. You may find that some of them are even better than your normal 2H OLL algorithms for OH!

Because of the notation used to describe these algorithms, there are cancellations that are undocumented. However, I doubt many of you will have trouble cancelling two sunes.

For each case, only one solution is documented - better ones may exist. Feel free to post them.

The notation describing the particular variation of Sune being used is as follows;

R = Right
L = Left
F = Front
B = Back
W = Wide
A = Anti
S = Sune

For example, RFS would be a regular Sune (RUR’URU2R’) while RBWAS would be the Right Back Wide AntiSune (r’U2RUR’Ur).

All edges flipped correctly

27 - (RFS)
26 - (RFAS)
21 - (RFAS)*2
22 - (RFS) U’ (RFS)
23 - (RBS) (RFS)
24 - (RFAS) U (RFS)
25 - (RFS) U (RBS)

No edges flipped correctly

1 - (RFWS) U’ (RBWAS)
2 - (RWS) U (RWS)
3 - (RWAS) U (RBWS)
4 - (RBWAS) U’ (RFWS)
20 - (RFWAS) M (RFS) U M’
17 - (RFWS) (LBWAS)
18 - (RFWS) (RBWS)
19 - (RBWAS) (RFWAS)

“P” shapes

31 - (RFAS) U (RFWS)
32 - (RBAS) U’ (RBWS)
43 - (RBWS) U’ (RBWAS)
44 - (RFWS) U (RFWAS)

“W” shapes

36 - (RFWS) U (RBWS)
37 - (RFWAS) U2 (RFS)

“L” shapes

47 - (RBWS) U (RBS)
48 - (RFWS) U’ (RFS)
53 - (RBWAS)*2
54 - (RFWAS)*2
49 - (RBS) (RFWAS)
50 - (RFS) (RBWAS)

“C” shapes

34 - (RBS) M’ (LBS) U M
46 - (RFS) M’ (RBS) U’ M

“T” shapes

33 - (RBS) (LBWS)
45 - (RFS) (RBWS)

“I” shapes

55 - (RFAS) U’ (RBWS)
56 - (RFAS) U’ M’ (RBS) U’ M
51 - (RFS) U’ (RFWS)
52 - (RFAS) U’ (RFWAS)

Square shapes

5 - (RBWAS)
6 - (RFWAS)

Big lightning

39 - (RFAS) (LBWS)
40 - (RBAS) (LFWS)

Small lightning

7 - (RFWS)
8 - (RBWS)
11 - M (RFS) U M’
12 - M’ (RBS) U’ M

Fish shapes

9 - M (RFAS) U’ M’
10 - M’ (RBAS) U M
35 - (RFAS)*2 (RBWAS)
37 - (RFWS) U (RBS)

Knight shapes

13 - (RBS)*2 (LBWAS)
14 - (RFS)*2 (LFWAS)
15 - (RBS) U’ (RFWAS)
16 - (RFS) U (RBWAS)

Awkward shapes

29 - (RFWS) U’ (RFAS)
30 - (RFS) U’ (RFWAS)
41 - (RFWAS) U’ (RFS)
42 - (RBWAS) U (RBS)

All corners oriented

28 - (RFWS) (RFAS)
57 - (RFAS) (RFWS)
 
Awesome :eek:

The notation is a bit hard to get used to, but I'll definitely be trying most of these out. I might finally be able to complete OLL, or at least come close.
 
Kirjava said:
17:25:19 < Robert> I just finished discovering that...
17:26:09 < Robert> 48/57 OLLs can be done using (sune variant), (U, U' , U2 or no move), (sune variant)
17:31:24 <+Kirjava> that's good
17:31:32 <+Kirjava> it means you can easily do the OLLCP subset where CP is already done
17:31:37 <+DanCohen> Holy **** sub-55 on 5x5x5 and on video!
Click to expand...
I believe I read those top 4 lines in IRC... How did I miss that last one? xD

Anyway, thats an awesome find. I just need to figure out the notation.
 
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This looks really cool especially for OLLCP. Only problem I have with it is the memorization. Sure the algs can be memo-ed super quick but I can see a lot of confusing cases with each other. I suppose if you really commit the first half to memo you would be able to see the second but you would lose some fluidity.
 
qqwref: I don't know if I'd want to learn full OLL this way (2H), due to the fact most of the OLL's I use are insanely quick, quicker than two sunes. However, I do have a couple awkward shapes that use Sune (variant) + F Sexy move F'. I just think that some of the current real fast OLLs are more beneficial. Although this could provide for some excellent look ahead into PLL.
 
I don't think this should be taken any more seriously than 2 look OLL, but it's fun to learn. And PLL prediction's easier on 2 look OLL since CP can easily be predicted on all-edges oriented OLLs.
 
Oh, cool. I'm sure some would be good for OH.
Quite a few to look through though, so if anyone finds any that they feel are particularly good, leave a post about it please. :D
 
Kirjava said:
All corners oriented

28 - (RFWS) (RFAS)
57 - (RFAS) (RFWS)
Click to expand...

I'm sure it's tucked away elsewhere in the list, but where is this case?
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Unless you're suggesting doing 57 U2 57 or 28 U 28?
 
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