# Sub 20 seems to be impossible...

#### Tiw

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My average is for 3 months between 21 and 25 seconds and I don't become better.
Is this still normal? I practise about 1 hour a day.

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#### calekewbs

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it's ok, that's better than me. I've been stuck at around a 32 average for a while now too. With only a few sub 30s in there.

#### enigmahack

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I've been experiencing the exact same issue, but I've recently gotten a sub-20 average of 5. *Not consistantly, but I'm getting close with practice*

Here's basically what you need to do:

It wasn't easy to find with search, so I can understand if you couldn't find it... Overall though I've been doing exactly what Chris has said there, and my times have dropped around 3 seconds in average in roughly a week.

Really take his advice to heart and actually PRACTICE it. Don't just read it and know that he said it and just keep doing what you've been doing.
Actually do what he says. It'll help.

#### luisgepeto

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I have the same situation, I have done average of 5 sub 20, but the average -12 keeps eluding me. I think it is because i get nervous. In fact, my average 12 is not lower than 21, and my average-5 is always between 20-21

#### aznmortalx

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keep on practicing, I'm just crossing sub 20 (wiggling between averages of 19-22 at the very worst). You'll get there.

#### 4Chan

It took me a while to get sub 20.

I just woke up one day and was averaging 18s.
Just don't worry too much, and keep practicing, and it will come soon enough.

#### Tiw

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Thank you very much, it is nice to see that many persons have the same problems^^
Special thanks to enigmahack! I felt very appealed of chris' VERY useful tips!

"If you're stuck in the low 20's I guarantee that you solve F2L too quickly to look ahead."

--> Damn...he's right...I tried to observe my solves, and it's true, I can't see the piecesevery time...This is probably the most important sentense!

#### lotsofsocks

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Im im stuck there to but i started looking ahead more and increase my speed and now i get sub 20 all the time.. i just time myslef and got a 16.22

#### Shamah02

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Sub 20 is a very tough barrier, but it really is all just look-ahead. Watch this slow solving video of Harris Chan. He easily gets sub 20, better yet, sub 15

This vid always inspires me because I'm trying to break the sub 15 barrier, which is also VERY tough!

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#### Dene

It took me four months to get to about 25 seconds, and 6 months to get sub20. Just be patient and keep practising.

#### Tiw

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I hope you are right! Now I try to turn the cube slower, the times are not much better but the solves in general are much more smoother
I think I'm on the right way.
It looks incredible how slow Harris turns the cube...and he makes still so good times!

#### DAE_JA_VOO

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I've been stuck at the SAME position for a few months now. I just can't break sub 20. I'm not worried though, as I know I could practice harder, and I don't know all the OLLs yet either.

Is it necessary for me to go ahead and learn all the rest of the OLLs that I don't know yet?

#### JLarsen

You can't insist on steady, never wavering progress. My improvements have more or less been major drop offs than anything. Most recently I was stuck in the 17's for about 3 months, and then I actually stopped practicing 3 speed more than like 12 solves a day, and I dropped into the consistent 16's now. This happened over night as well.

#### enigmahack

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I think it's hard when you get faster because then it all comes down to personal technique, etc...

It's really like any art form though. Once you get to a certain level, it starts to come down to what works for you. To a certain degree, certain things will work for just about everyone.

What really makes people stand apart is their ability to make it their own.

That's why you see some solvers like Dan Harris who looks like he doesn't turn super fast, but he's a very fast solver. Then there are others who LOOK like they're blazing fast (Macky comes to mind) and solve fast as well.

The point is that each has their own style, finding what works for themselves and applying it.

But yes - to a certain degree, there are some generic things that will help you get there. More OLL's help, but again I've seen it done where people get sub-20 averages with 3LLL *2Look OLL, 1 look PLL*

Again - it's all about what works for you personally

#### Kian

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I've been stuck at the SAME position for a few months now. I just can't break sub 20. I'm not worried though, as I know I could practice harder, and I don't know all the OLLs yet either.

Is it necessary for me to go ahead and learn all the rest of the OLLs that I don't know yet?
It is definitely not necessary to learn all the OLLs to be sub 20. However, it could help and it's certainly something worth doing. I don't think learning all 57 olls v. knowing 9 is much more than a second or two different.

#### sru

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i'm stuck in about 30s avg for 2 months. I don't see nice future actually and don't know what to do anymore. Btw i do 2-look oll and full pll.

I'm trying to do slow f2l with no pauses when i practice, but that's too slow for real solving. When i'm solving i do f2l faster, but i can't look ahead never (i just can't see) .. and so on and so on ... I'm really confused.

#### DAE_JA_VOO

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I've been stuck at the SAME position for a few months now. I just can't break sub 20. I'm not worried though, as I know I could practice harder, and I don't know all the OLLs yet either.

Is it necessary for me to go ahead and learn all the rest of the OLLs that I don't know yet?
It is definitely not necessary to learn all the OLLs to be sub 20. However, it could help and it's certainly something worth doing. I don't think learning all 57 olls v. knowing 9 is much more than a second or two different.
Yeah, totally. Thanks man

i'm stuck in about 30s avg for 2 months. I don't see nice future actually and don't know what to do anymore. Btw i do 2-look oll and full pll.

I'm trying to do slow f2l with no pauses when i practice, but that's too slow for real solving. When i'm solving i do f2l faster, but i can't look ahead never (i just can't see) .. and so on and so on ... I'm really confused.
Doing slow solves isn't intended to have that solve be faster in the end. Slow solves are meant to be slow solves. By solving slow, you help your brain to look ahead, and with practice, you won't need to go slow like that anymore

#### sru

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DEA_JA_VOO and what do you recommend me to do now? becouse i'm really angry and i don't even like speed-solving more, becouse i know it will be arround 30 again.

sometimes, i get some sub-25 solves, but then some 35 again and it's 30. then i have 5 30 - 31 solves and it's the same again and again and again.

i can't understand why i can't be faster than avg30, although i'm beeing faster and faster at 2x2x2 (arround avg 6.3 atm) all the time.