• Welcome to the Speedsolving.com, home of the web's largest puzzle community!
    You are currently viewing our forum as a guest which gives you limited access to join discussions and access our other features.

    Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community of 35,000+ people from around the world today!

    If you are already a member, simply login to hide this message and begin participating in the community!

[Unofficial] Sub 10 with 10 methods

Joined
Jun 29, 2011
Messages
1,057
Likes
102
Location
Ireland
WCA
2012YUTA01
YouTube
taoxyu
Thread starter #1

Not that impressive when you consider that half of these methods are just CFOP variations. However, I think I've played by the same rules as everyone else who has made a "sub x with y methods" video (For example, ZB, MGLS and CFCE are considered different methods in Ben's video as well).

I had fun making this, but I think it's pretty silly really, because I average over 15 for most of these methods and don't even know many of them in full (CFCE, ZB and MGLS). The real accomplishment for me is that I'm close to sub 10 global with 3 of these methods (CFOP, Roux and CFOP-Roux hybrid).

I feel like this might be easier to do than sub 20 with 20 methods since you only need to do half the number of methods.

 

Method

Time

Scramble

1

Freefop

9.98

D R2 B2 U F2 D L2 U F2 U2 F' U' F' D2 U2 F D R B2 R

2

Columns

9.92

L' D R' F' R' U B L2 B' D R2 L2 U' B2 U' D2 B2 R2 D B2

3

MGLS

9.697

U L2 D' L2 U2 F2 R2 F2 U2 B' D2 F' U' L D U' B D L

4

CFCE

9.62

R' U' D' B U' B2 U2 D2 L' D R2 L2 F2 L2 B' D2 R2 D2 L2 F2 B'

5

Petrus

9.58

R' F2 D2 L2 F2 L' F2 U2 R' F2 R2 U' B R2 D' B2 F2 R D B' U'

6

ZZ

9.11

F2 U R2 B2 D B2 D' L2 R' U L2 U2 R2 F R F2 R2 F D2

7

Roux-CFOP hybrid

8.10

B F' L2 B F2 L U R2 D' B L D B' D2 F' U' B F'

8

Roux

7.92

D L' F' D B L2 F2 R U R U L2 F2 D' B2 U R2 F2 U2

9

ZB

7.67

R2 F2 D' R D R' B U2 L D2 U' F2 D L D B2 R2 U2

10

CFOP

7.15

B2 D2 L2 B D2 B' F' L2 B' U2 F' R' U R' B2 L D U2 L' D' F'




Method descriptions/links:
1. FreeFop: Blockbuild F2L and solve LL as you would in CFOP
2. Columns: http://www.mzrg.com/rubik/methods/col3/
3. MGLS: http://cube.garron.us/MGLS/
4. CFCE: https://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/CFCE
5. Petrus: http://lar5.com/cube/
6. ZZ: http://cube.crider.co.uk/
7. Roux-CFOP hybrid: see the description of this video
8. Roux: http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html
9. ZB: https://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/ZB_method
10. CFOP: https://www.speedsolving.com/wiki/index.php/CFOP
 
Last edited:

Brest

Super Reconstructor
Staff member
Joined
Sep 30, 2010
Messages
2,281
Likes
403
WCA
2011STUA01
YouTube
BrestCubing
#2
Tao Yu - Sub 10 with 10 methods (unofficial)

D R2 B2 U F2 D L2 U F2 U2 F' U' F' D2 U2 F D R B2 R

y // inspection
r U' r2' F' r // 1st 2 pairs
y R U' R' y U' L' U L // 3rd pair
y' U2' M' U2 M // 2nd cross edge
d M' U2' M // 3rd cross edge
U' M U2' M' // 4th cross edge
y' F U' F' r U' r' F // 4th pair
U R2' D' R U2 R' D R U2 R // COLL
U2' M' U' M2' U' M2' U' M' U2' M2' U' // EPLL
View at alg.cubing.net
Code:
[B]Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps[/B]
[COLOR="red"]Total	9.98	56	5.61	63	6.31[/COLOR]

F2L	6.50	35	5.38	42	6.46
LL	3.48	21	6.03	21	6.03

OLS	3.04	19	6.25	20	6.58
PLL	1.01	8	7.92	8	7.92
D R2 B2 U F2 D L2 U F2 U2 F' U' F' D2 U2 F D R B2 R

y // inspection
r U' r2' F' r // 1st 2 pairs
y U' U R U' R' y U' L' U L // 3rd pair
y' U2' M' U2 r' R // 2nd cross edge
d M' U2' r' R // 3rd cross edge
U' r' R U2' M' // 4th cross edge
y' U U' F U' F' r U' r' F // 4th pair
U R2' D' R U2 R' D R U2 R // COLL
U2' M' U' M2' U' M2' U' M' U2' M2' U' // EPLL
View at alg.cubing.net
L' D R' F' R' U B L2 B' D R2 L2 U' B2 U' D2 B2 R2 D B2

y2 // inspection
U // 1st pair
x U2' R U R' U' // 2nd pair
x r U' r2' U' R' // 3rd pair
U2' R2' F R F' R U2' R' U r // 4th pair
U R' U' R U' R' U2 R // COLL
M2' // 2nd cross edge
M' U2' M // 3rd cross edge
y U M' U' M U2' M' U M // 4th cross edge
M2' U' M2' U2' M2' U' M2' // EPLL
View at alg.cubing.net
Code:
[B]Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps[/B]
[COLOR="red"]Total	9.92	52	5.24	58	5.85[/COLOR]

F2L	8.22	37	4.50	41	4.99
PLL	1.14	7	6.14	7	6.14
L' D R' F' R' U B L2 B' D R2 L2 U' B2 U' D2 B2 R2 D B2

y2 // inspection
U // 1st pair
x U2' R U R' U' // 2nd pair
x r U' r2' U' R' // 3rd pair
U' U' R2' F R F' R U' U' R' U r // 4th pair
U R' U' R U' R' U2 R // COLL
U' U M2' // 2nd cross edge
U' U M' U2' M // 3rd cross edge
y U' U2' M' U' M U2' M' U M // 4th cross edge
M2' U' M2' U2' M2' U' M2' // EPLL
View at alg.cubing.net
U L2 D' L2 U2 F2 R2 F2 U2 B' D2 F' U' L D U' B D L

y // inspection
R' F2 D' R2 D2 // cross
U R' U R U' R' U' R2 // 1st pair
U' R' U2 R U' R' // 2nd pair
y' R U R' U R U R' // 3rd pair
y' U R' F R F' U2' R' F R F' // ELS
U R U' R' U2' R U R' U' R U' R' // CLS
y' U F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' // PLL
View at alg.cubing.net
Code:
[B]Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps[/B]
[COLOR="red"]Total	9.69	67	6.91	73	7.53[/COLOR]

F2L	7.79	49	6.29	54	6.93
LL	1.90	18	9.47	19	10.00

Cross+1	2.12	13	6.13	15	7.08
OLS	4.24	13	3.07	14	3.30
PLL	1.30	17	13.08	17	13.08
U L2 D' L2 U2 F2 R2 F2 U2 B' D2 F' U' L D U' B D L

y // inspection
R' F2 D' R2 D2 // cross
y y' U R' U R U' R' U' R2 // 1st pair
U' R' U2 R U' R' // 2nd pair
y' R U R' U R U R' // 3rd pair
y' U R' F R F' U2' R' F R F' // ELS
U' U2 R U' R' U' U' R U R' U' R U' R' // CLS
U y' F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' // PLL
View at alg.cubing.net
R' U' D' B U' B2 U2 D2 L' D R2 L2 F2 L2 B' D2 R2 D2 L2 F2 B'

y x // inspection
L D (x' y') R D' U2' F R' D // cross
y2' R U' R' U' R U R' // 1st pair
U R' U' R U' R' U R // 2nd pair
y2' R U' R' U R U R' // 3rd pair
U' R' U R U R' U' R // 4th pair
U R' U' R U' R' U2 R // CLL
U' M' U M U2' M' U M U2' // ELL
View at alg.cubing.net
Code:
[B]Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps[/B]
[COLOR="red"]Total	9.62	57	5.93	65	6.76[/COLOR]

F2L	5.99	39	6.51	45	7.51
LL	3.63	18	4.96	20	5.51

Cross+1	3.22	15	4.66	18	5.59
OLS	4.07	18	4.42	20	4.91
R' U' D' B U' B2 U2 D2 L' D R2 L2 F2 L2 B' D2 R2 D2 L2 F2 B'

y x // inspection
L D (x' y') R (U' D') U' F R' D // cross
y' y' R U' R' U' R U R' // 1st pair
U R' U' R U' R' U R // 2nd pair
y' y' R U' R' U R U R' // 3rd pair
U U' U' R' U R U R' U' R // 4th pair
U' U U R' U' R U' R' U2 R // CLL
U' M' U M U2' M' U M U' U' // ELL
View at alg.cubing.net
R' F2 D2 L2 F2 L' F2 U2 R' F2 R2 U' B R2 D' B2 F2 R D B' U'

y' // inspection
D' L U' R' F L2' // 2x2x2
R' U2' R2 U' R' U2 R' // 2x2x3
y2 U L' U' L F' R U R' // EO
y' R2 U' R' U R2 U R' // Square
U2' R' U R U' R' U' R // LS
R' U2 R' D' R U2 R' D R2 // COLL
R2' U R U R' U' R' U' R' U R' U // EPLL
View at alg.cubing.net
Code:
[B]Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps[/B]
[COLOR="red"]Total	9.58	57	5.95	59	6.16[/COLOR]

F2L	6.44	36	5.59	38	5.90
LL	3.14	21	6.69	21	6.69

OLS	2.74	17	6.20	17	6.20
PLL	0.93	11	11.83	11	11.83
R' F2 D2 L2 F2 L' F2 U2 R' F2 R2 U' B R2 D' B2 F2 R D B' U'

y' // inspection
D' L U' R' F L2' // 2x2x2
R' U2' R2 U' R' U2 R' // 2x2x3
y2 U L' U' L F' R U R' // EO
y' R2 U' R' U R2 U R' // Square
U2' R' U R U' R' U' R // LS
R' U2 R' D' R U2 R' D R2 // COLL
R2' U R U R' U' R' U' R' U R' U // EPLL
View at alg.cubing.net
F2 U R2 B2 D B2 D' L2 R' U L2 U2 R2 F R F2 R2 F D2

y' // inspection
L U R2' F L D // EOLine
R' U R U' R' U' R U' R' U R U' R' // Lsquare
U' R U2' R2' U' R2 U' R' // Lpair
L2' U2' L U' L' U L U L' // Rsquare
L' U' L U2 L' U' L // Rpair
U' R' U' R U' R' U2 R // COLL
R2 U' R' U' R U R U R U' R U' // EPLL
View at alg.cubing.net
Code:
[B]Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps[/B]
[COLOR="red"]Total	9.11	65	7.14	67	7.35[/COLOR]

F2L	6.34	45	7.10	47	7.41
LL	2.77	20	7.22	20	7.22

OLS	1.80	15	8.33	16	8.89
PLL	0.84	11	13.10	11	13.10
F2 U R2 B2 D B2 D' L2 R' U L2 U2 R2 F R F2 R2 F D2

y' // inspection
L U R2' F L D // EOLine
R' U R U' R' U' R U' R' U R U' R' // Lsquare
U' R U2' R2' U' R2 U' R' // Lpair
U' U L2' U' U' L U' L' U L U L' // Rsquare
L' U' L U U L' U' L // Rpair
U' R' U' R U' R' U2 R // COLL
R2 U' R' U' R U R U R U' R U' // EPLL
View at alg.cubing.net
B F' L2 B F2 L U R2 D' B L D B' D2 F' U' B F'

y // inspection
L R U2' R2' x U' M D' // 1st pair
y' d R' U' R // 2nd pair
U2 L' U' L // 3rd pair
y' U2 R' U R U' R' U' R // 4th pair
y' U l U' R' D R U R' D' x // CMLL
U' M' U M U2' M' U' M' // EO
U' M2' U // EP
View at alg.cubing.net
Code:
[B]Step	time	STM	stps	ETM	etps[/B]
[COLOR="red"]Total	8.10	44	5.43	53	6.54[/COLOR]

F2B	3.90	23	5.90	29	7.44
CMLL	1.80	9	5.00	11	6.11
LSE	2.40	12	5.00	13	5.42
B F' L2 B F2 L U R2 D' B L D B' D2 F' U' B F'

y // inspection
L R U' U' (R' l') U' R r' D' // 1st pair
y' d R' U' R // 2nd pair
U U L' U' L // 3rd pair
U y' U R' U R U' R' U' R // 4th pair
y' U l U' R' D R U R' D' x // CMLL
U' M' U M U2' M' U' M' // EO
U' M2' U' U U // EP
View at alg.cubing.net
D L' F' D B L2 F2 R U R U L2 F2 D' B2 U R2 F2 U2

y x2 // inspection
D // LF block
x R2' U L U2' L' U L U' // LB pair
L' U' R U R U2' r' U' R // RF block
U R U' R' M' U2 R U' r' // RB pair
U2' R' U2' R U R' U' R U2 l U' R' U // CMLL
x U' M' U' M' // EO
U2' M' U2' M' // UL/UR
U M U2' M' U2' M2' U2' // EP
View at alg.cubing.net
Code:
[B]Step	time	STM	stps	ETM	etps[/B]
[COLOR="red"]Total	7.92	56	7.07	60	7.58[/COLOR]

F2B	3.83	28	7.31	30	7.83
CMLL	1.80	13	7.22	14	7.78
LSE	2.29	15	6.55	16	6.99
D L' F' D B L2 F2 R U R U L2 F2 D' B2 U R2 F2 U2

y x2 // inspection
D // LF block
(R' l') U L U2' L' U L U' // LB pair
L' U' R U R U' U' r' U' R // RF block
U' U U R U' (R' M') U U R U' r' // RB pair
U' U' R' U2' R U R' U' R U2 l U' R' U // CMLL
x U' M' U' M' // EO
U2' M' U2' M' // UL/UR
U M U2' M' U2' M2' U2' // EP
View at alg.cubing.net
R2 F2 D' R D R' B U2 L D2 U' F2 D L D B2 R2 U2

z2 // inspection
r' U r2 U' x' R' D // cross
y2' U' R' U2 R U' R' U R // 1st pair
U' L U' L' R U' R' // 2nd pair
y' U' L' U2 L U' L' U L // 3rd pair
y' U' R U2' R2' U' R U' R' F R F' // 4th pair
U R' F' r U R U' L' U // ZBLL
View at alg.cubing.net
Code:
[B]Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps[/B]
[COLOR="red"]Total	7.67	59	7.69	67	8.74[/COLOR]

F2L	6.28	50	7.96	58	9.24
LL	1.39	9	6.47	9	6.47

Cross+1	2.91	16	5.50	19	6.53
OLS	2.87	20	6.97	22	7.67
R2 F2 D' R D R' B U2 L D2 U' F2 D L D B2 R2 U2

z2 // inspection
r' U r2 U' x' R' D // cross
y' U' y' R' U2 R U' R' R R' U R // 1st pair
U' L U' L' R U' R' // 2nd pair
y' U' L' U U L U' L' U L // 3rd pair
y' U' R U' U' R2' U' R U' R' F R F' // 4th pair
U R' F' r U R U' L' U // COLL
View at alg.cubing.net
B2 D2 L2 B D2 B' F' L2 B' U2 F' R' U R' B2 L D U2 L' D' F'

y x' // inspection
R' B' R2 U' l' D' // cross
y R U' R' U' R U R' // 1st pair
y' R U2' R' d R' U' R // 2nd pair
U' L' U' L // 3rd pair
R U R' U' R U R' // 4th pair
U2' r' R2 U R' U r U2' r' U M' // OLL(CP)
y' U' M2' U' M U2' M' U' M2' // EPLL
View at alg.cubing.net
Code:
[B]Step	Time	STM	stps	ETM	etps[/B]
[COLOR="red"]Total	7.15	50	6.99	57	7.97[/COLOR]

F2L	4.24	31	7.31	34	8.02
LL	2.91	19	6.53	23	7.90

Cross+1	1.57	13	8.28	14	8.92
OLS	2.07	18	8.70	21	10.14
PLL	0.77	7	9.09	7	9.09
B2 D2 L2 B D2 B' F' L2 B' U2 F' R' U R' B2 L D U2 L' D' F'

y x' // inspection
R' B' R2 U' l' D' // cross
y R U' R' U' R U R' // 1st pair
y' R U' U' R' d R' U' R // 2nd pair
U' L' U' L // 3rd pair
R U R' U' R U R' // 4th pair
U' U' r' R2 U R' U r U' U' r' U r R' // OLL(CP)
U' y' M2' U' M U2' M' U' M2' // EPLL
View at alg.cubing.net
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Joined
Jun 29, 2011
Messages
1,057
Likes
102
Location
Ireland
WCA
2012YUTA01
YouTube
taoxyu
Thread starter #11
Dang! Maybe Faz will put out a sub 5 with 5 methods ;))))
Maybe sub 6 with 6 methods? He probably has CFOP, CFCE, ZB and MGLS solves somewhere in his 41 sub 6s videos; all he needs are ZZ and Freefop solves. With an easy EOcross, ZZ should be manageable, and he could just pass off a solve with a triple xcross as a Freefop solve. Would take a crap ton of solves, but I think it's just remotely possible.

I doubt he'll see it as a good use of his time though. This is pretty silly anyway.

Will you practice BLD for Irish Champs? :p
I really should, shouldn't I? Haven't picked up a blindfold in ages... I suppose I will. I'm only aiming for a sub 10 average in 3x3, so I really don't need to be doing all this practice.
 

TDM

Member
Staff member
Joined
Mar 7, 2013
Messages
7,009
Likes
318
Location
Oxfordshire, UK
WCA
2013MEND03
YouTube
TDM028
#12
Maybe sub 6 with 6 methods? He probably has CFOP, CFCE, ZB and MGLS solves somewhere in his 41 sub 6s videos; all he needs are ZZ and Freefop solves. With an easy EOcross, ZZ should be manageable, and he could just pass off a solve with a triple xcross as a Freefop solve. Would take a crap ton of solves, but I think it's just remotely possible.

I doubt he'll see it as a good use of his time though. This is pretty silly anyway.
Sub-6 is definitely possible, but I know that sub-5 would be very hard for anyone, even Feliks.
 

Brest

Super Reconstructor
Staff member
Joined
Sep 30, 2010
Messages
2,281
Likes
403
WCA
2011STUA01
YouTube
BrestCubing
#16
@Brest: In Columns reconstruction, the total time is 8.22 but in the video it's 9.92, check that out :)
Also, the movecount is 48s 52e, not 37s 41e. I was very impressed with myself for a second lol.
Fixed these errors, thanks for the heads-up. Let me know if you see more, as these are mostly uncommon methods I don't have pre-made stats for them.
 
Joined
Mar 31, 2012
Messages
2,851
Likes
401
Location
London, UK
WCA
2012FROS01
YouTube
OliverFrostBLD
#18
I really should, shouldn't I? Haven't picked up a blindfold in ages... I suppose I will. I'm only aiming for a sub 10 average in 3x3, so I really don't need to be doing all this practice.
Sure! A decent, no-parity scramble could give you a low 30s single or possibly a sub-30 with some luck = definitely worth minimally revising your 3-cycles for :)
 
Top