# Should I view AUF as a part of PLL or it’s own thing?

#### Duncan Kimmett

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I have a question: Should I view my AUF as a part of my PLL algorithm or should I view it as it’s entire separate part. What I’m asking for is this: If I do a J perm, and my AUF was a U’, if I did the algorithm, should I view the J perm as a J perm with a U’ at the end or as just a J perm and then a U’. I’ve had this question for a while, so I just wanted to get it off my mind. Thanks!

Example (Jb perm and my alg might be different than yours):

AUF Seperate: R U R’ F’ R U R’ U’ R’ F R2 U’ R’ // U’
AUF Together: R U R’ F’ R U R’ U’ R’ F R2 U’ R’ U’

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#### Cubinginatree

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i'm slow (i average 25) but I veiw AUF as part of PLL if that means anything

#### Duncan Kimmett

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i'm slow (i average 25) but I veiw AUF as part of PLL if that means anything
Awesome, thanks for your opinion! Also 25 isn’t slow cause the average time to average around the world is 30, so you’re actually below average. And once again, thanks for the opinion! I think I’ll take your advice for now!

#### Mastermind2368

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Whatever way helps you solve faster is the best way to go about it. Personally, I always think about auf while executing PLL, and I keep it in mind if the PLL ends with a U move, so that I can cancel into AUF.

#### Cubinginatree

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Awesome, thanks for your opinion! Also 25 isn’t slow cause the average time to average around the world is 30, so you’re actually below average. And once again, thanks for the opinion! I think I’ll take your advice for now!
Oh I thought it was 20

#### Duncan Kimmett

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Whatever way helps you solve faster is the best way to go about it. Personally, I always think about auf while executing PLL, and I keep it in mind if the PLL ends with a U move, so that I can cancel into AUF.
smart, I do something along the lines of that too. Thank you!

#### Running for cube

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The video I saw it too I assume it’s the same one

#### LBr

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I think I know the vid but average time is usually slower than the median (probably a more appropriate measure) so shouldn’t be compared. Anyway this thread is getting sidetracked. Try to do auf as part of PLL and blend it in. Doesn’t make it a part of PLL, but auf prediction is important and should be learned for all plls

#### Filipe Teixeira

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I can predict auf before executing pll. see the relation between U layer side stickers and cube centers

#### Duncan Kimmett

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I can predict auf before executing pll. see the relation between U layer side stickers and cube centers
same, that is what I do already, I just wanna know about psychology.

#### Duncan Kimmett

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I think I know the vid but average time is usually slower than the median (probably a more appropriate measure) so shouldn’t be compared. Anyway this thread is getting sidetracked. Try to do auf as part of PLL and blend it in. Doesn’t make it a part of PLL, but auf prediction is important and should be learned for all plls
Awesome, I guess we have reached a consensus. AUF should be blended in with pll.

#### Duncan Kimmett

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Yeah but the figure 30 includes people (me trying my hardest not to swear) who average 2 minutes
I'm having trouble understanding this. Let me try to explain what I meant: He said he was slow cause he averaged 25, and I told him the average AVERAGE time for 3X3 was 30 SECONDS. This means that the average time to solve a 3x3 rubik's cube around the world is 30 SECONDS. (edit: ur pbs are under 10 seconds so I know this cannot be a joke post about that)

#### NigelTheCuber

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I'm having trouble understanding this. Let me try to explain what I meant: He said he was slow cause he averaged 25, and I told him the average AVERAGE time for 3X3 was 30 SECONDS. This means that the average time to solve a 3x3 rubik's cube around the world is 30 SECONDS. (edit: ur pbs are under 10 seconds so I know this cannot be a joke post about that)
I know. But the average time of 30 secs includes people who avg 2 minutes

#### Duncan Kimmett

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I know. But the average time of 30 secs includes people who avg 2 minutes
Ohhhh, because when you calculate the average then it is including ALL people’s times.