# SALOW Notation for Curvy Copter.

## Would you support Curvy Copter as an event?

• ### No

• Total voters
66

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#### whatshisbucket

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"clockwise" is a relative term. The letterings are only clockwise if you look at the cube from the bottom. Also something tells me the algorithm you have is not right since I is not adjacent to either of the other two letters used.

That being said, this is essentially the best notation possible if all twelve edges have to be used.

#### Sion

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"clockwise" is a relative term. The letterings are only clockwise if you look at the cube from the bottom. Also something tells me the algorithm you have is not right since I is not adjacent to either of the other two letters used.

That being said, this is essentially the best notation possible if all twelve edges have to be used.

Thanks for the feedback; I feel honored. Care to make some changes to the alg?

#### Mike Hughey

Staff member
My only comment to this is that we used to have a megaminx scrambling notation with a bunch of letters, and it was completely impractical. I wonder if it would actually be better to just use the two letter designations directly, so instead of I F+ B F+, why not simply DL FR+ UF FR+? It's longer, but probably a lot easier, especially for someone who's not too familiar with scrambling.

#### Sion

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My only comment to this is that we used to have a megaminx scrambling notation with a bunch of letters, and it was completely impractical. I wonder if it would actually be better to just use the two letter designations directly, so instead of I F+ B F+, why not simply DL FR+ UF FR+? It's longer, but probably a lot easier, especially for someone who's not too familiar with scrambling.

My idea was that it would be less intimidating to get involved if everything was on a one letter basis. It would also account for the fact that curvy copter is a completely new puzzle compared to anything else.

Also, I also thought of the complications of how the letters would go in order, for example being RU or UR? I'm sure this would more than confuse people who are new to cubing.

#### superphluous

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My idea was that it would be less intimidating to get involved if everything was on a one letter basis. It would also account for the fact that curvy copter is a completely new puzzle compared to anything else.

I feel like it's a more intimidating to have to learn the piece that each letter refers to than just having more letters in a move.

Also, I also thought of the complications of how the letters would go in order, for example being RU or UR? I'm sure this would more than confuse people who are new to cubing.
The order of the letters wouldn't matter, because RU and UR refer to the same piece, and therefore the same turn.

#### whatshisbucket

##### Member
Thanks for the feedback; I feel honored. Care to make some changes to the alg?
I see him doing a lot of (C+ E+) B (C- E-) moves.

#### OreKehStrah

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I think using the + and - for the partial turns is actually a really good and simple solution. I do think using something a notation of the Side and then top,bottom, and side would be better. So like FU LD RU FR LU FR y2 ... to do the initial scramble, then use those kinds of pairs with jumbling +\- to do scrambles like squan

#### Sion

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Update: I'm going to buy a curvy copter tomorrow, so I will be able to describe the notation (Traditional Positionative and A-L Sion notation variants) in better detail.

#### OreKehStrah

##### Member
Update: I'm going to buy a curvy copter tomorrow, so I will be able to describe the notation (Traditional Positionative and A-L Sion notation variants) in better detail.
Nice! I’d get the lan lan. The cubicle also makes stickers for it btw

#### Hazel

I agree with the people above - just using things like "FR" is much more clear than "F" and is easier for most people to figure out. As for the orders of the letters (FR vs. RF), we would just need a standard. For example, F/B is the most important, followed by U/D, followed by L/R. For example, FL would never be LF, and UR would never RU.
What about partial turns below 180 degrees? I'm not too familiar with the curvy copter, but would two partial clockwise turns on FR be "FR++", or would it always end up being a 180 degree turn?
Everything else is great though!

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#### Hazel

Two partial turns would, using R/L, U/D, F/B Order, would be, in your case: RF. However, in reconstruction, where someone would do two F+ moves, it would be RF+ RF+.
So to be clear, does doing two partial turns always end up in the same place as doing a 180?

#### whatshisbucket

##### Member
Two partial turns would, using R/L, U/D, F/B Order, would be, in your case: RF. However, in reconstruction, where someone would do two F+ moves, it would be RF+ RF+.
I think it would be much easier if turns between 90 and 180 degrees were denoted with F++ or RF++ instead of writing double moves.
So to be clear, does doing two partial turns always end up in the same place as doing a 180?
No, this puzzle is too interesting for that.

#### Sion

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I think it would be much easier if turns between 90 and 180 degrees were denoted with F++ or RF++ instead of writing double moves.

No, this puzzle is too interesting for that.

yeah, that's a good idea, but wouldn't that technically cancel out to an RF-?

I'll technically find out tomorrow, lol.

#### whatshisbucket

##### Member
yeah, that's a good idea, but wouldn't that technically cancel out to an RF-?

I'll technically find out tomorrow, lol.
No, because RF- is 180 degrees away from RF++.

#### Sion

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No, because RF- is 180 degrees away from RF++.

Would you be able to make any jumbling moves from the position of RF++?

#### whatshisbucket

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Would you be able to make any jumbling moves from the position of RF++?
From solved, RF++ would take the puzzle to the same shape as RF-, some of the pieces would just be in different places. So yes, you would be able to continue jumbling.

#### OreKehStrah

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Would you be able to make any jumbling moves from the position of RF++?
Yes, UF should be able to jumble. There you have to perform six partial turns to return to the original state on an edge btw.

#### Sion

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From solved, RF++ would take the puzzle to the same shape as RF-, some of the pieces would just be in different places. So yes, you would be able to continue jumbling

So RF++ is the opposite of RF-, and RF-- is the opposite of RF+? So would it be possible to call RF++ RF-' and RF-- RF+'?

#### OreKehStrah

##### Member
So RF++ is the opposite of RF-, and RF-- is the opposite of RF+? So would it be possible to call RF++ RF-' and RF-- RF+'?
It would be turned the same way but the center petals would be in different spots. So algs that would solve those later or swap them would have to be very specific.