# Roux or Cfop (i will just use petrus)

#### nigelthecuber

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I'm trying Roux. I am still averaging 36-37 seconds on it. Just wondering if roux is actually better than cfop. (I average 20s with cfop)

#### Imsoosm

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This depends on you, actually. People have got very good times with cfop and roux, however, cfop has way more people using it. Roux is considered more of a minority, but it does have some advantages over cfop. I would say myself that cfop is a bit faster, but roux is not far behind. Roux has much less algorithms than cfop (I don't know exactly how many since I don't use it, but over the past few days I have tried to solve 3x3 with roux), and they are all pretty easy to memorize. Once you get very familiar with roux I'm sure you'll get faster.

#### abunickabhi

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I'm trying Roux. I am still averaging 36-37 seconds on it. Just wondering if roux is actually better than cfop. (I average 20s with cfop

Just become method neutral like me. I use CFOP, Roux and 3-style. I decide which method to use in inspection, and I try to be neutral in choosing the method I will use for that solve.

#### Imsoosm

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Just become method neutral like me. I use CFOP, Roux and 3-style. I decide which method to use in inspection, and I try to be neutral in choosing the method I will use for that solve.
That's actually a pretty good idea, but the problem is I might get confused with pairing F2L if I'm using too much Roux. You don't do cube rotations, and pairings are a little bit different, so I might mess up my CFOP solve.

Um... ok

#### Icecube77

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I would say theyre equally good but the problem with roux is it's garbage for big cubes. I don't think there's anything inherently bad about roux otherwise.

#### Swagrid

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Ultimately the difference is negligible - what matters more is using the method that suits you the best. But, I think that on paper, Roux has the upper hand. not to mention how Roux is so utterly far ahead in OH.

#### SuperDuperSir

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Or you could just use petrus

#### IsThatA4x4

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Or you could just use petrus
This never gets old.

Anyway, I see Roux as a serious contender to CFOP. The main reason why Roux is currently maybe a bit slower is because it has been popular for less time and has received less development. That is changing now as it is gaining popularity and resources are plentiful, and I can see it rising up to the level of CFOP, and maybe overtaking it.

#### TheEpicCuber

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I use CFOP. But I can see why Roux might be better

#### Timona

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Or you could just use Mehta

#### Stock_Fish109

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I like CFOP because its easier to find more tips, example solves, and general information. I also have a hatred for anything intuitive, so I like algs more. I dont like roux because its the opposite of what i just said

#### Timona

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if you like algs, may I suggest Mehta?

#### Swagrid

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If you want an alg-centric method, I'd suggest either full-sending it for cfop with ZBLL and OLLCP, or smth like ZZ with ZBLL, or APB.

#### nigelthecuber

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So i tried petrus and averaging 50 secs so no

#### GenTheThief

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So i tried petrus and averaging 50 secs so no
As a warning - anytime you try something new you're going to be slower. Almost all beginners who start learning intermediate CFOP F2L report their times almost doubling, and struggling to solve in under a minute after having gotten to ~40 with beginners. However, this is just due to them being unfamiliar with it. The temptation is to go back to what they already know instead of persevering through to the more advanced method that is proven to be faster.

All that to say, just because you're not able to get fast times on it right now doesn't mean you shouldn't use it.

#### nigelthecuber

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As a warning - anytime you try something new you're going to be slower. Almost all beginners who start learning intermediate CFOP F2L report their times almost doubling, and struggling to solve in under a minute after having gotten to ~40 with beginners. However, this is just due to them being unfamiliar with it. The temptation is to go back to what they already know instead of persevering through to the more advanced method that is proven to be faster.

All that to say, just because you're not able to get fast times on it right now doesn't mean you shouldn't use it.
I was kina joking about petrus. Although Roux is nice