# Reduction vs Yau on 5x5

## Yau vs reduction on 5x5

• ### Reduction

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#### cube100

##### Member
I learned to solve th 5x5 before one week using reduction method I use the begginers edge pairing. Do you think that yau is better on 5x5 on not ?

#### Kirjava

##### Colourful
I don't actually know.

#### Noahaha

##### blindmod
I don't know much, but Jacob/Yoshinator made a video on it:

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#### uberCuber

##### Member
I would love to have an answer to this question, but I don't. My own averages with both methods are very similar.

#### uberCuber

##### Member
His conclusion is actually what my own logic is telling me to think. I honestly can't figure out why yau is so much better for me on 6x6/7x7 (and no, it's not just because I've practiced it more now. My first couple days of using yau on each of those cubes were enough to break my redux PB's, and I wasn't exactly comfortable with the yauL4C yet at that time)

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#### Robert-Y

##### Member
Who knows?

The method is still rather young... My best single is 57 and my best avg of 5 is 1:03. I'm willing to believe that it's possible to average under a minute with it. I just need to turn faster... (easier said than done)

#### AmazingCuber

##### Member
I don't have an answer to that, I guess it depends on personal preference. Maybe add that option on the poll?

#### scottishcuber

##### Member
Who knows?

The method is still rather young... My best single is 57 and my best avg of 5 is 1:03. I'm willing to believe that it's possible to average under a minute with it. I just need to turn faster... (easier said than done)
We need movecounts yo.

I will do a few solves with each and compare movecounts, but obviously yau5 isn't my main method so it won't represent the method that well.

#### uberCuber

##### Member
We need movecounts yo.

I will do a few solves with each and compare movecounts, but obviously yau5 isn't my main method so it won't represent the method that well.
Have some yau5 numbers

solve 1 -
F2C = 26
F3E = 19
L4C = 47
N5E+2F2L = 55
L4E+F2L = 41 (parity)
LL = 26
total = 214

solve 2 -
F2C = 31
F3E = 17
L4C = 45
N5E+2F2L = 56
L4E+F2L = 47 (parity)
LL = 23
total = 219

solve 3 -
F2C = 21
F3E = 20
L4C = 47
N5E+2F2L = 51
L4E+F2L = 51 (parity)
LL = 24
total = 214

solve 4 -
F2C = 24
F3E = 17
L4C = 41
N5E+2F2L = 67
L4E+F2L = 48 (parity)
LL = 26
total = 223

solve 5 -
F2C = 21
F3E = 15
L4C = 37
N5E+2F2L = 60
L4E+F2L = 32
LL = 26
total = 193

#### windhero

##### Member
I use Yau5 because that's what I use on a 4x4. I think it's easier to improve with both cubes if I use the same method consistently. I dont do 6x6/7x7 at all though.

#### Robert-Y

##### Member
^But it's not the same method, that's why I called it something different.

#### scottishcuber

##### Member
^But it's not the same method, that's why I called it something different.
Maybe he actually uses yau5 for 444...I doubt it though

Have some yau5 numbers

total = 214

total = 219

total = 214

total = 223

total = 193
Ok that's really good, I was getting around 250 for yau5 and 230 for redux (1:30 avg)

#### pedrinroque

##### Member
I realy dont know, but I use Yau, cause I can not sub 1:30 with reduction
anyway I will try in this month answer my main question, that is: is possible get sub 55 singles using yau? and sub1avg? sure about its possible to cubers faster than me, like sebastian feliks and mats

#### EMI

##### Member
[Question that is not worth a thread imo:]

Does anybody use a mix of Yau and Redux which is just solve any four edges Yau style, and then use Freeslice or something? If that makes sense. (Still can't decide between Yau and normal Redux. wow)

#### DavidCip86

##### Member
My Yau times are a little bit faster than my redux solves, but l4c is really uncomfortable. Does it get better after practice?

#### sukesh12

##### Member
Reduction is kind of better than Yau, on 5x5. Its got lesser no. of moves and is kind of effective. If you use reduction of 5x5, thne stick with it. Switch to Yau on 4x4. That's what I'd give you.

#### uberCuber

##### Member
Reduction is kind of better than Yau, on 5x5. Its got lesser no. of moves

#### brian724080

##### Member
I think that reduction on 5x5 is a lot of intuitive than Yau is. But I accidentally voted for redux...

#### sukesh12

##### Member
Okay. I'm no super cuber, but I about 1:30 on 5x5. Okay, I agree that you can get good move counts and solves if you practice it. I realize that now. Sorry for the wrong statement.
But I stand on Yau for 4x4.

Sukesh

#### Roe Rohan cubin

##### Member
what method does zemdegs or kevin hays use??? i'm really really searching for a 5x5 speedsolving method