Reduction vs K4 vs Yau

[DrJorge]

The 4x4 method battle. Reduction vs K4 vs Yau, i understand that one is no faster than the other, but which one do you like the best/which one is faster for you and why.

 

[Tim Major]

Yau, better movecount than redux, but still great look ahead. I assume K4 has better movecount but I haven't focused on it enough to compare.

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

I use Yau mainly and I like it a lot. However, K4 is by far the coolest (although this is technically only personal opinion) and I've been messing around with it a bit recently. Just unfortunate that I suck at ELL and don't know all the CLLs . I've also been doing a sort of hybrid of the two which is fun, and it actually seems to work not too badly, considering how bad hybrids usually are.

 

[bwronski]

I don't see Yau as its own method, it is more of a variation in redux or doing redux differently. You still reduce to a 3x3 but once our done you have some edges in place already. But the OP, I think they are equal, depending on your preferences or styles, should depend on what you choose as your method.

 

[Yuxuibbs]

i use reduction because it feels nice to know you just have a 3x3 left until u get parity.... then i go crazy

 

[Cheese11]

i use reduction because it feels nice to know you just have a 3x3 left until u get parity.... then i go crazy

Crazy as in turn speed, or physically?

 

[insane569]

i just started to do 4x4 again (i sucked at it ALOT) and i use k4 cause its cool and im now sub 3 but last time i solve 4x4 i was like 3-3:30 in times
i dropped a minute
and i really like k4

 

[Phlippieskezer]

Favourite: K4 (and I recently discovered I like Stadler too)

Best at: Reduction (ewww)

Really need to get better at ELL...

(I'm a nub at big cubes, by the way)

 

[speedex]

IMO reduction was the fastest as they only got 4 simple step(center,pairing,3x3,parity if there is any) which able to executed really fast. and actually i am sucks at 4 center part of yau and k4

 

[AustinReed]

IMO reduction was the fastest as they only got 4 simple step(center,pairing,3x3,parity if there is any) which able to executed really fast. and actually i am sucks at 4 center part of yau and k4

Yeah, but those are long steps. Yau has 6 short steps.

 

[gundamslicer]

K4, I like the f3l aswell as the LL

 

[qqwref]

If you ask me, Redux and Yau are about equal for 4x4x4, and K4 is a bit worse but still capable of pretty good times. K4's big weakness is the F3L movecount, even though the lookahead is great in that part.

 

[Cool Frog]

Fastest:K4
Most enjoyable: usually K4, except when I use another method and see what I can force.
I like the 1-3-4 extension
I really enjoy k4 on 5x5, The LL is quite intresting.
(OMG 3 look ELL on 6x6, was like wtffun)

 

[Tim Major]

Yau
Centres: 25
Edges: 10-15
333-cross: 20-25
Total: 55-65 (my official times are a good indication of what I usually get, 48 single, 60 average.)

People, post your breakdowns. Also I got a 44 single today with just 4 edges to pair. I have had similar luck, and even better with Yau before.

 

[speedex]

Yeah, but those are long steps. Yau has 6 short steps.

i know, i just haven't get use to the last 4 center lol

btw here is my breakdown (reduction)
center: 10-15
edges : 20-25
3x3 part: 25-30
total: 55-70

 

[Kirjava]

K4's big weakness is the F3L movecount, even though the lookahead is great in that part.

lol are you sure 'bout dat? I've always seen F3L as K4's greatest strength with the 1x3x4 being the biggest weakness. Also movecount seems to be either about the same or slightly lower than redux. Maybe you're not using cancellations and other tricks?

My best avg12 with K4 is 47.xx atm, and I average about 65 with redux or yau. I think I can push down to ~45 when I go back to practising it.

 

[qqwref]

Maybe you're not using cancellations and other tricks?

I'm pretty sure I'm not. I've never been any good at K4.

 

[cubersmith]

Yau is an adaption of redux. So I think it has more potential.

 

[Yuxuibbs]

Crazy as in turn speed, or physically?

im happy that im almost done and my turning increases a lot.... thing is im using an eastsheen....

 

[Cheese11]

im happy that im almost done and my turning increases a lot.... thing is im using an eastsheen....

Ohh, might want to go get yoself a Dayan+MF8.