Quest to learn full ZBLL [Week 8]

[Andreas5204]

One thing that we discussed on discord about memory palaces is that when you actually use algs in solves, your recall process must be far more streamlined. During a solve there is no time to "visit" your memory palace in order to recall the alg. Seeing the case in front of you should immediately trigger the associated image in your brain, and that in turn must immediately trigger your memory of the moves of the alg. Here, it is worth noting that people like me don't use images for our algs, so my thought process goes directly from seeing the case to remembering the moves. So where you remember an image, the process should be instantaneous, i.e. the association between the image and the moves of the alg should be so strong that your brain pretty much treats them as the same thing.

From what I understand, the memory palace is really only intended to be an intermediate memory method until you can instantly associate a case with its algorithm. So after you've memorized all of ZBLL, you still need to go in and train cases with a trainer.
The memory palace system is almost like an add-on to the traditional method of learning algs, since you can get by without it just fine. But memory palaces are known for being relatively long-term and fast to create.
Even if they aren't great for learning algs, memory palaces are really neat and have applications for lots of other areas, too. I was just trying to show LukasCubes that there is another option, even if it's not the best, for him to research on his own.
Also, I know Jabari isn't a god. I just think he's really cool. But just because he doesn't use memory palaces doesn't mean that someone else can't use them.

 

[Tao Yu]

From what I understand, the memory palace is really only intended to be an intermediate memory method until you can instantly associate a case with its algorithm. So after you've memorized all of ZBLL, you still need to go in and train cases with a trainer.
The memory palace system is almost like an add-on to the traditional method of learning algs, since you can get by without it just fine. But memory palaces are known for being relatively long-term and fast to create.
Even if they aren't great for learning algs, memory palaces are really neat and have applications for lots of other areas, too. I was just trying to show LukasCubes that there is another option, even if it's not the best, for him to research on his own.

Okay, we're not really in disagreement here. You'll see in my post I never said I believe memory palaces are never useful for alg learning, but just wanted to state a few things that one has to keep in mind before using them.

I do think however that the fact that you eventually have to learn a second method for remembering ZBLL should make one question if it is really necessary. I think there's a decent chance that once you've finished learning all of the algs in a second way, you'll just never have to visit your memory palace again, and eventually you will forget everything that you put there (unless you maintain it). There is certainly no harm in having the memory palace, but if you're not going to use it eventually, you should wonder whether it was worth making in the first place.

It may be the case that memory palaces allow you to retain the memory longer, but again, I don't know how important that really is. If you train your algs really well you should be able to remember them long term. It also tends to be a lot easier to relearn algs than to learn them the first time, especially if you trained them a lot.

Also, I know Jabari isn't a god. I just think he's really cool. But just because he doesn't use memory palaces doesn't mean that someone else can't use them.

The purpose of my comment there was purely to disagree with the part where you said you couldn't see anyone learning 1LLL in a timely manner without memory palaces.

As I've said a few times, I'm not saying that memory palaces are useless for everyone. It's just that the reasons for using a palace that I've seen so far don't seem very compelling to me. So maybe there's just a reason out there that I'm just not aware of.

I think memory palaces are good for specific things. They are amazing for structured data such as strings of long numbers or letters. However, in my personal experience, there are some things which it just doesn't work for. I used to think I would create huge memory palaces for memorizing stuff for exams, and Chinese characters, but found that stuff like flashcards are just way superior.

 

[LukasCubes]

I crossed 100, now lets go up more

 

[EngiNerdBrian]

I crossed 100, now lets go up more

100 additional algs since you started the quest or 100 total?

Algs known 101/494. (Cases 1-12, 15, 25-26, 47, 49, 61, 73-84, 89-90, 97-98, 107-108, 109-110, 122, 134, 145-154, 155, 160, 169, 181, 193, 205, 220, 226, 237, 256, 266, 280, 289, 304, 309, 321, 331, 342, 353, 366, 383, 394, 404, 414, 426, 438, 455, 466 473-494)

 

[LukasCubes]

100 additional algs since you started the quest or 100 total?

100 total, i havent learned as much algs today as i wanted but i was gone for most of the day

 

[EngiNerdBrian]

This is where I will learn ZBLL. After I finish this in like a year, I will go to ELL which is under 30 algs and will be much easier.

Algs known 101/494. (Cases 1-12, 15, 25-26, 47, 49, 61, 73-84, 89-90, 97-98, 107-108, 109-110, 122, 134, 145-154, 155, 160, 169, 181, 193, 205, 220, 226, 237, 256, 266, 280, 289, 304, 309, 321, 331, 342, 353, 366, 383, 394, 404, 414, 426, 438, 455, 466 473-494)

So over the first 2.5 months of the quest you've FORGOTTEN 4 algs when compared to day 1?

 

[LukasCubes]

So over the first 2.5 months of the quest you've FORGOTTEN 4 algs when compared to day 1?

I never forgot any algs. Day 1 was back when it was called quest to learn full 1LLL. Of course its ZBLL now but I never forgot any algs.

ALRIGHT EVERYONE I have learned all L cases for 2GLL which is like 12 cases. Tomorrow I plan to recap all those algs ALL DAY

 

[DNF_Cuber]

ALRIGHT EVERYONE I have learned all L cases for 2GLL which is like 12 cases. Tomorrow I plan to recap all those algs ALL DAY

wow 12 I bet nobody has ever learned that many in ONE DAY .

 

[LukasCubes]

wow 12 I bet nobody has ever learned that many in ONE DAY .

i meant that 12 wasnt that many. I know you are being sarcastic

 

[the dnf master]

i meant that 12 wasnt that many. I know you are being sarcastic

its still pretty good

 

[LukasCubes]

its still pretty good

thanks man, im more focused on recaping algs for this weekend. Today I recap the L 2GLL, tomorrow I will recap the U 2GLL, and Sunday I will recap the T 2GLL. Monday I will start learning the H 2GLL.

 

[EngiNerdBrian]

thanks man, im more focused on recaping algs for this weekend. Today I recap the L 2GLL, tomorrow I will recap the U 2GLL, and Sunday I will recap the T 2GLL. Monday I will start learning the H 2GLL.

Is there some sort of trainer you are using? OLL and PLL trainers were essential for practicing recall when I was learning those alg sets

 

[LukasCubes]

Is there some sort of trainer you are using? OLL and PLL trainers were essential for practicing recall when I was learning those alg sets

www.bestsiteever.ru/zbll for recalling them and https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-kf9bSQwUEMFOkyuCuLZj9XNQLzkuk_L/view to learn the actual algs

 

[LukasCubes]

Time to spam learn H 2GLL. That was unnecessary to say but its my only goal.

 

[qwr]

I can learn like 2 algs in one day so you're doing pretty good

 

[LukasCubes]

I can learn like 2 algs in one day so you're doing pretty good

nice, thanks