Quest to learn full ZBLL [Week 8]

[DNF_Cuber]

Guys I am actually ahead of the schedule. I have learned 4 algs in 3 days and I have alot more freetime now that i half to wake up early today. I will probably go back to learning 1 alg a day tomorrow and friday is i can (which I probably wont) so yeah its good to be ahead of the schedule.

you realize that going 1 alg a day it will take you approximately 10.17 years.

 

[LukasCubes]

you realize that going 1 alg a day it will take you approximately 10.17 years.

for full 1LLL maybe but it will only take a year for ZBLL

 

[Tao Yu]

You should really learn more than one alg per day. If you genuinely like learning algs, it should be in your interest to get good at it. Learning to do 12 or 24 a day is very doable with practice, and ZBLL is a great set to use for this practice.

Also, as I mentioned before, I think it's a bad idea to learn algs in isolation. Being able to distinguish cases from similar ones is an important part of learning algs and you may find you don't quite learn to do this if you just learn one a day.

 

[ObscureCuber]

You should really learn more than one alg per day. If you genuinely like learning algs, it should be in your interest to get good at it. Learning to do 12 or 24 a day is very doable with practice, and ZBLL is a great set to use for this practice.

Also, as I mentioned before, I think it's a bad idea to learn algs in isolation. Being able to distinguish cases from similar ones is an important part of learning algs and you may find you don't quite learn to do this if you just learn one a day.

by this point if you have learned full oll/pll and multiple ZBLLS you could do a set per day even
I recommend trying to do 1 (or almost 1)set per day and getting the muscle memory/memo down better the next day and than use the rest of that day to learn another set. its gonna take over a year to learn ZBLL and multiple years to learn 1LLL if you do 1 alg per day.
dam i didnt even see that posts above 10.17 years jeez.

 

[LukasCubes]

You should really learn more than one alg per day. If you genuinely like learning algs, it should be in your interest to get good at it. Learning to do 12 or 24 a day is very doable with practice, and ZBLL is a great set to use for this practice.

Also, as I mentioned before, I think it's a bad idea to learn algs in isolation. Being able to distinguish cases from similar ones is an important part of learning algs and you may find you don't quite learn to do this if you just learn one a day.

well i do have alot of freetime so maybe i could try since next week i dit have school at all.

by this point if you have learned full oll/pll and multiple ZBLLS you could do a set per day even
I recommend trying to do 1 (or almost 1)set per day and getting the muscle memory/memo down better the next day and than use the rest of that day to learn another set. its gonna take over a year to learn ZBLL and multiple years to learn 1LLL if you do 1 alg per day.
dam i didnt even see that posts above 10.17 years jeez.

yeah ZBLL is gonna be rough since i am doing the 60 drill and recognition but i will try to see what I can do. The goal for next week is gonna be 10 algs so i might boost that to 15 or 20 once it starts on Monday.


-For Everyone-
I learned 3 algs today but that might be it so yeah

 

[FJT97]

well i do have alot of freetime so maybe i could try since next week i dit have school at all.

yeah ZBLL is gonna be rough since i am doing the 60 drill and recognition but i will try to see what I can do. The goal for next week is gonna be 10 algs so i might boost that to 15 or 20 once it starts on Monday.


-For Everyone-
I learned 3 algs today but that might be it so yeah

Do you learn the algs randomly? For ZBLL you could most of the time learn the mirror, inverse and inverse mirror of an alg. that would be 4 algs at once.

Would be faster and also possibly easier to wrap your head around.

 

[LukasCubes]

Do you learn the algs randomly? For ZBLL you could most of the time learn the mirror, inverse and inverse mirror of an alg. that would be 4 algs at once.

Would be faster and also possibly easier to wrap your head around.

i am currently working on the U 2GLLs. I am working on the 2GLL algs. If anything that aint 2GLL pops up, its from a twitch stream.

 

[LukasCubes]

Hi there Hello I am back to learning algs yay.

 

[DNF_Cuber]

you realize that going 1 alg a day it will take you approximately 10.17 years.

heck, accounting for leap years it will take like 10.16 years!

 

[LukasCubes]

heck, accounting for leap years it will take like 10.16 years!

10 years for 1LLL. 1-2 years for ZBLL. I think im going at a steadily pace.

 

[LukasCubes]

Ok so im back from my ban so this thread is back. I am completely online for school for the next 2 weeks so I want to learn at least 10 algs this week. TBH ima probably learn way more algs since I havent learned a single alg in the 35 day ban I got.

 

[Jam88]

Ok so im back from my ban so this thread is back. I am completely online for school for the next 2 weeks so I want to learn at least 10 algs this week. TBH ima probably learn way more algs since I havent learned a single alg in the 35 day ban I got.

What did you get banned for?

 

[Nir1213]

What did you get banned for?

idk but he said something about yruru, not sure though
@LukasCubes please read the rules to try not to get perma ban

 

[Jam88]

idk but he said something about yruru, not sure though
@LukasCubes please read the rules to try not to get perma ban

Oh yeah, saw that in the accomplishment thread.

 

[LukasCubes]

Oh yeah, saw that in the accomplishment thread.

i put too manny ruRUs in YruRU and that got me banned for 35 days but im back and actually kinda the same person.

 

[EngiNerdBrian]

I havent learned a single alg in the 35 day ban I got.

So much progress is being made towards this very realistic and achievable goal...

 

[Andreas5204]

If you want to learn a large alg set like 1LLL, I would recommend researching the memory palace system. I myself do not use it (yet! I'm working out a few things, then I'm going to use it to learn the rest of ZBLL) but a friend of mine from a Discord server is using this system to memorize ZBLL, and to great success. Memory palace systems are fantastic in many ways, and I can't really see anyone learning 1LLL in a timely manner without using it. Unless you're a god like Jabari.

 

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oh no

 

[Tao Yu]

If you want to learn a large alg set like 1LLL, I would recommend researching the memory palace system. I myself do not use it (yet! I'm working out a few things, then I'm going to use it to learn the rest of ZBLL) but a friend of mine from a Discord server is using this system to memorize ZBLL, and to great success. Memory palace systems are fantastic in many ways, and I can't really see anyone learning 1LLL in a timely manner without using it. Unless you're a god like Jabari.

Without extra clarification, this advice is somewhat misleading. There are definitely ways of using memory palaces that I would argue are not good.

I've had a conversation with your friend on discord about this topic, and my conclusion was that his approach was reasonable; his idea is to associate images to common triggers found in algs so that algs can be encoded as several combined images. Note that this approach isn't totally exact - you don't have to encode the whole alg exactly - the images should be just enough to jog your memory.

I think a system where you remember the whole alg exactly by encoding every pair of moves in an alg into an image is overkill for ZBLL, and probably 1LLL too.

One thing that we discussed on discord about memory palaces is that when you actually use algs in solves, your recall process must be far more streamlined. During a solve there is no time to "visit" your memory palace in order to recall the alg. Seeing the case in front of you should immediately trigger the associated image in your brain, and that in turn must immediately trigger your memory of the moves of the alg. Here, it is worth noting that people like me don't use images for our algs, so my thought process goes directly from seeing the case to remembering the moves. So where you remember an image, the process should be instantaneous, i.e. the association between the image and the moves of the alg should be so strong that your brain pretty much treats them as the same thing.

I understand that people's brains work differently, so I don't want to say that this method is bad, but for me personally, the memory palace seems unnecessary. Simply memorizing the moves allows me to recall the moves quickly, and remember the algs long term, so having a memory palace containing all these algs, or having images associated with every alg carries no benefit for me.

Memory palace systems are fantastic in many ways, and I can't really see anyone learning 1LLL in a timely manner without using it. Unless you're a god like Jabari.

Jabari isn't a god, and you shouldn't think of him as one. He worked hard in order to acquire his abilities, just as anyone else can. As far I know, I don't think he uses images or memory palaces, and this should rather be evidence in the opposite direction to your claim: his success shows that memory palaces are probably unnecessary for memorizing algsets like 1LLL.

 

[LukasCubes]

If you want to learn a large alg set like 1LLL, I would recommend researching the memory palace system. I myself do not use it (yet! I'm working out a few things, then I'm going to use it to learn the rest of ZBLL) but a friend of mine from a Discord server is using this system to memorize ZBLL, and to great success. Memory palace systems are fantastic in many ways, and I can't really see anyone learning 1LLL in a timely manner without using it. Unless you're a god like Jabari.

I will look it up later

Without extra clarification, this advice is somewhat misleading. There are definitely ways of using memory palaces that I would argue are not good.

I've had a conversation with your friend on discord about this topic, and my conclusion was that his approach was reasonable; his idea is to associate images to common triggers found in algs so that algs can be encoded as several combined images. Note that this approach isn't totally exact - you don't have to encode the whole alg exactly - the images should be just enough to jog your memory.

I think a system where you remember the whole alg exactly by encoding every pair of moves in an alg into an image is overkill for ZBLL, and probably 1LLL too.

One thing that we discussed on discord about memory palaces is that when you actually use algs in solves, your recall process must be far more streamlined. During a solve there is no time to "visit" your memory palace in order to recall the alg. Seeing the case in front of you should immediately trigger the associated image in your brain, and that in turn must immediately trigger your memory of the moves of the alg. Here, it is worth noting that people like me don't use images for our algs, so my thought process goes directly from seeing the case to remembering the moves. So where you remember an image, the process should be instantaneous, i.e. the association between the image and the moves of the alg should be so strong that your brain pretty much treats them as the same thing.

I understand that people's brains work differently, so I don't want to say that this method is bad, but for me personally, the memory palace seems unnecessary. Simply memorizing the moves allows me to recall the moves quickly, and remember the algs long term, so having a memory palace containing all these algs, or having images associated with every alg carries no benefit for me.

I will try it later. If I dont like it, I wont use it.

Jabari isn't a god, and you shouldn't think of him as one. He worked hard in order to acquire his abilities, just as anyone else can. As far I know, I don't think he uses images or memory palaces, and this should rather be evidence in the opposite direction to your claim: his success shows that memory palaces are probably unnecessary for memorizing algsets like 1LLL.

I'm with you on this one