# Possible to get fast (20-30s) using this method for square-1?

#### CalebW

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Is it possible to get reasonably fast using the method described here: http://www.jaapsch.net/puzzles/square1.htm#s2m6? It seems pretty simple: acquire cube shape, pair edges with corners, fix parity, permutate pairs. I'm just wondering how fast this method can be.

#### Randomno

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If you wanted to, yes. It's probably a better idea to go for Vandenbergh or Roux and Screw though.

#### CalebW

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No there aren't. You only need 4 algs to be decent and 20 max to get quite fast.
For Vandenbergh?

#### MTGjumper

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For Vandenbergh?
For Vandenbergh you don't need many algs to be fast. I was sub-20 knowing about six EPs, of which four were really short.

#### CalebW

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Which are the best EP algs to learn first?

#### Randomno

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Which are the best EP algs to learn first?

#### CraZZ CFOP

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Is it possible to get reasonably fast using the method described here: http://www.jaapsch.net/puzzles/square1.htm#s2m6? It seems pretty simple: acquire cube shape, pair edges with corners, fix parity, permutate pairs. I'm just wondering how fast this method can be.
I got to about 23 average in 3 months with Cary's variation of this method.
50 algs for full version but most are really easy to learn and are short.

#### CraZZ CFOP

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Potential: CSP: 1.5 seconds
First Three Pairs: 3 seconds
L5P: 3.5 seconds
(Advanced) 1 look pair solve: 2.5 seconds
Overall: 10.5 seconds (Not too slow!)

#### Underwatercuber

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Vanderberg I use 6 algs and average like 30, Lin I use 10 and average 25 but if i cut it down to 6 for EP I average 30

#### CraZZ CFOP

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Vanderberg I use 6 algs and average like 30, Lin I use 10 and average 25 but if i cut it down to 6 for EP I average 30
I know, but the method has some potential, as I could easily get sub 25 with a method that has yet to be developed.

#### DesertWolf

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Tbh. I feel you want to be super fast at squan then you’re gonna have to learn a lot of algs and go with vanderberg, but if you want to be decently fast you can go for LIN. I know people that are sub-15 just knowing the 6 LIN cases and EPLL (+parity obv). Yes there’s people that are sub-10 with LIN. But they learned a lot of extra algs which is why I’m not taking them as an example. The only thing is LIN requires a bit of extra practice.
How useful this method your showing turns out to be depends on your goals and it’s learning curve. But I don’t see it as viable as something like LIN, vanderberg or even Screw.

#### CraZZ CFOP

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Well, it answers the thread's question, since it is kind of obvious that you could get 20-30 second averages with the method. The fact that you could even get sub-20 with Skwuction makes it not complete garbage in my eyes.

I know that I can't get really fast with this method, which is why I'm also learning Vandenberg at the same time.

#### U Perm

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I know those but I average sub 50.
also totally random but I unscrewed my volt squan and cannot screw it back together. any sugjestions?

#### Mike Hughey

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I only know 3 EP (the first 3 above) and I average easily sub-40 when I'm in practice. And I'm generally really slow.

I think way back when Dan Cohen had a WR in it, he only knew about 10 of them.

#### CraZZ CFOP

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I know those but I average sub 50.
also totally random but I unscrewed my volt squan and cannot screw it back together. any sugjestions?
Learn Kite-Scallop (The name is misleading, since you should also need to learn Scallop-Scallop method and Square-Kite for it to be effective, and maybe even Pawn-Pawn)
I know 2-look EP and I average like 30 with Vandenberg.
Opp-Opp
Opp-Nothing
Opp-Ocw
Opp-Occw
Ucw-Ucw
Uccw-Uccw
Ucw-Nothing
Uccw-Nothing
Z-nothing
H-Nothing
H-H
Ocw-Nothing
Occw-Nothing
But I kinda suck since EO+CP recognition takes forever for me.

#### U Perm

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Learn Kite-Scallop (The name is misleading, since you should also need to learn Scallop-Scallop method and Square-Kite for it to be effective, and maybe even Pawn-Pawn)
I know 2-look EP and I average like 30 with Vandenberg.
Opp-Opp
Opp-Nothing
Opp-Ocw
Opp-Occw
Ucw-Ucw
Uccw-Uccw
Ucw-Nothing
Uccw-Nothing
Z-nothing
H-Nothing
H-H
Ocw-Nothing
Occw-Nothing
But I kinda suck since EO+CP recognition takes forever for me.