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Owen's Progress Thread | Trying to become S2L neutral |

How long will it take me to get a sub 40 single?


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Devagio

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Thanks so much to everyone who has been supporting me as I switch to a new method, especially @Devagio for helping me learn it.

I just got a very consistent mid 32 average of 5 with YruRU! and I only had one CP error, where I used to get a CP error almost all of the time before Devagio helped me.

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That’s amazing!
You didn’t mention OH so I thought it was 2H Ao5 which is impressive too, till I had a look at the screenshot; sick improvement!
Also, it’s okay to make CP errors in the start; since you don’t know 2GLL, you’ll end up with OCLL>PLL instead of OCLL>EPLL; which is not too bad. Your accuracy will improve much quicker than you learning all 2GLLs, so it’ll work out fine :)
 

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That’s amazing!
You didn’t mention OH so I thought it was 2H Ao5 which is impressive too, till I had a look at the screenshot; sick improvement!

Thanks! Yeah it was OH, I don't plan on practicing YruRU two handed because I am not going to be using it for 2h.

Also, it’s okay to make CP errors in the start; since you don’t know 2GLL, you’ll end up with OCLL>PLL instead of OCLL>EPLL; which is not too bad. Your accuracy will improve much quicker than you learning all 2GLLs, so it’ll work out fine :)
That's true, I assume my accuracy will be around 99% by the time I finish 2GLL.
 

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It seems to be going along pretty well, I average around 30 OH with YruRU. The main problem I have is that it takes me 30+ seconds to inspect and I am not sure how to lower that.
If you haven't had much experience with blindfolded tracing, I can imagine the inspection being a difficult thing to improve at. Though 30+ seconds seems like a lot, there's definitely something you can work on to instantly reduce that time.
Could you let me know you approximate splits?
a. Find a starting orientation
b. Find 5 & 6, and recall the circlet.
c. Find 4 and Trace, getting 2 numbers
d. Recall swap and locate swap pieces and DL edge
e. Figure out CP execution
f. Add appropriate wide moves to better place DL edge
g. Predict centres and prepare to trace an FB edge (optional)
I'd guess mine are a-3s, b-2s, c-2s, d-1s, e-2s, f-2s, g-2s
 

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If you haven't had much experience with blindfolded tracing, I can imagine the inspection being a difficult thing to improve at. Though 30+ seconds seems like a lot, there's definitely something you can work on to instantly reduce that time.
Could you let me know you approximate splits?
a. Find a starting orientation
b. Find 5 & 6, and recall the circlet.
c. Find 4 and Trace, getting 2 numbers
d. Recall swap and locate swap pieces and DL edge
e. Figure out CP execution
f. Add appropriate wide moves to better place DL edge
g. Predict centres and prepare to trace an FB edge (optional)
I'd guess mine are a-3s, b-2s, c-2s, d-1s, e-2s, f-2s, g-2s
I think my biggest issue is not knowing what circlets are, I think someone has tried to explain them to me before but I couldn't really understand. I thought I was supposed to mentally swap pieces based on the position of 5 and 6.
 

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I think my biggest issue is not knowing what circlets are, I think someone has tried to explain them to me before but I couldn't really understand. I thought I was supposed to mentally swap pieces based on the position of 5 and 6.
The thing is, over time you'll realise that there are only 30 possible places corners 5 and 6 can be in. So, you just memorise a circlet for each of the 30 cases. That way, you won't need to mentally swap pieces, which is certainly time consuming.
For example, if you have 5 in UFL and 6 in DBR, you can either use the beginner way and swap DBR with UBL and UFR with UBR and trace the thread; or you can simply remember that when 5 is in UFL and 6 is in DBR, you need to trace UBL>UFR>UBR>DFR. It sort of forms a lightning bolt on the cube, that's how I picture and remember it. So whenever you see 5 is in UFL and 6 is in DBR, just recall "lightnng bolt". Then look for corner 4. Suppose corner 4 is in UBR. Thus, the three numbers that decide the swap will be DFR>UBL>UFR (notice how once we reached DFR, we "circled" back to UBL, hence the name circlets). Over time, instead of tracing 3 numbers, you will trace only two, and the last one will be the only corner remaining. Hope that makes sense.
 
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The thing is, over time you'll realise that there are only 30 possible places corners 5 and 6 can be in. So, you just memorise a circlet for each of the 30 cases. That way, you won't need to mentally swap pieces, which is certainly time consuming.
For example, if you have 5 in UFL and 6 in DBR, you can either use the beginner way and swap DBR with UBL and UFR with UBR and trace the thread; or you can simply remember that when 5 is in UFL and 6 is in UBR, you need to trace UBL>UFR>UBR>DFR. It sort of forms a lightning bolt on the cube, that's how I picture and remember it. So whenever you see 5 is in UFL and 6 is in UBR, just recall "lightnng bolt". Then look for corner 4. Suppose corner 4 is in UBR. Thus, the three numbers that decide the swap will be DFR>UBL>UFR (notice how once we reached DFR, we "circled" back to UBL, hence the name circlets). Over time, instead of tracing 3 numbers, you will trace only two, and the last one will be the only corner remaining. Hope that makes sense.
Thanks! That does make sense, so should I just do lots of solves and try to gradually memorize the circlets?
 
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Firstly have you started 2GLL if you haven’t you should as this method isnt viable without it.

secondly I think that it would be better to use leor as doing CP is an extra step with little benefit (only a slightly better LL) and it kills your inspection time.


Good luck with your improvement with whatever method you want to use though, and well done on the insane mega improvemen.
 

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Firstly have you started 2GLL if you haven’t you should as this method isnt viable without it.

secondly I think that it would be better to use leor as doing CP is an extra step with little benefit (only a slightly better LL) and it kills your inspection time.


Good luck with your improvement with whatever method you want to use though, and well done on the insane mega improvemen.
Yes I have started 2GLL, I only know like 10 right now, but I will learn them a lot quicker once I am done with the circlets.

Thanks!
 

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I just broke a lot of Mega pbs! This average of 12 is my first sub 1, and it has my PB avg of 5 (54.37) PB Mean of 3 (52.71) and PB single (51.02)

Generated By csTimer on 2020-06-09 (solving from 2020-06-09 13:17:41 to 2020-06-09 16:55:33)
avg of 12: 59.452

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Also I am averaging around 1:00 to 1:03.
 

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I just broke a lot of Mega pbs! This average of 12 is my pb (57.97), and it has my PB single! (50.99)

Generated By csTimer on 2020-06-10 (solving from 2020-06-10 14:34:36 to 2020-06-10 15:25:59)
avg of 12: 57.972

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I just broke a lot of Mega pbs! This average of 12 is my pb (57.97), and it has my PB single! (50.99)

Generated By csTimer on 2020-06-10 (solving from 2020-06-10 14:34:36 to 2020-06-10 15:25:59)
avg of 12: 57.972

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What do I need to be able to say I am sub 1? Average of 50, 100, or something more?
I think it partly depends on how quickly your improving if you continue at this rate an ao50 is fine because you will almost certainly get an ao100 soon. You should probably go for ao100 when your improvemen starts to slow.
 

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I got a sub 1 average of 100 (59.86) and a 1:00.37 avg of 200 on Megaminx! I also got a pb single of 45.00!!


I will update my YruRU progress on Sunday.


Also, I added a poll up top on how long it will take me to get a sub 40 Megaminx single.



EDIT: If anyone wants to know why I have been improving so fast, it's because I have been doing so many Megaminx solves and practically no solves on any event besides Oh with YruRU.
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I did 1:30 Megaminx solves today and 6 3x3 solves...lol.
 
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I got a sub 1 average of 100 (59.86) and a 1:00.37 avg of 200 on Megaminx! I also got a pb single of 45.00!!


I will update my YruRU progress on Sunday.


Also, I added a poll up top on how long it will take me to get a sub 40 Megaminx single.



EDIT: If anyone wants to know why I have been improving so fast, it's because I have been doing so many Megaminx solves and practically no solves on any event besides Oh with YruRU.
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I did 1:30 Megaminx solves today and 6 3x3 solves...lol.
Nice dude! I've been getting into megaminx recently as well and dropped my avg by 10 seconds! I honestly don't know why people don't like Mega, Its definitely in my top 5 favorite events, probably as number 4 behind squan 6x6 and 5x5 but ahead of 7x7. It's so fun to just solve, especially with freestyle!
 
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