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Nautilus: An advanced 3x3 method

voidrx

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And how is that?
@trangium 's ELLs, which are the best out there that I know of average 10.27 moves. inserting the DF edge is around 3 moves + AUF, so around 3.75. 3.75+10.27= 14.02 moves.
Now. EO averages around 5 moves. L5EP averages 7.38 moves according to the Nautilus L5E algsheet. 7.38+5=12.38 however we need to include AUF so add 1.5 moves (two AUFs), that makes 13.88.
EO+L5EP is more efficient than DFM+ELL.
 
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Now. EO averages around 5 moves. L5EP averages 7.38 moves according to the Nautilus L5E algsheet. 7.38+5=12.38 however we need to include AUF so add 1.5 moves (two AUFs), that makes 13.88.
L5EO has 5 cases with 7, 7, 7, 7, 3 moves (excluding AUF). Wouldn't that be 6.06? Or are the EO algs on the Nautilus website not good movecount wise?
6.06+7.3 = 13.44 + AUF[=.75 x 2] = 14.98
(technically 13.45 since 6.06=6.0625)

Am I just being stupid?

Edit: Where do I find trangiums ELL's?
Edit Edit: nvm they're on his Github.
 
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voidrx

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L5EO has 5 cases with 7, 7, 7, 7, 3 moves (excluding AUF). Wouldn't that be 6.06? Or are the EO algs on the Nautilus website not good movecount wise?
6.06+7.3 = 13.44 + AUF[=.75 x 2] = 14.98
(technically 13.45 since 6.06=6.0625)

Am I just being stupid?

Edit: Where do I find trangiums ELL's?
Edit Edit: nvm they're on his Github.
Ok. I miscounted. So DFM+ELL is slightly more efficient. HOWEVER. That does not mean that DFM+ELL is as fast as EO+L5EP. EO has amazing recog. DFM has great recog. Now ELL recog is kind of eh. L5EP recog is very good. EO+L5EP is faster, as it sacrifices one move for way better recog.
 

tsmosher

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And how is that?

By my estimation, rounding up to imprecisely account for AUF:

L5EOP: 7.5 moves (20 cases)
EPLL: 7 moves (4 cases)
= 14.5 moves (24 cases)

L5EO: 6.5 moves (5 cases)
L5EP: 8 moves (16 cases)
= 14.5 moves (21 cases)

place DF: 3.5 to 4 moves (intuitive)
ELL: 11 moves (29 cases)
= 14.5 to 15 moves (29 cases)

The ELL approach might be comparable if you omit the case where the DFM edge is flipped in DFM.

They definitely all seem to be pretty close.
 
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