# My Quest for being sub 1 min avg with beginners method!! Help and tips are welcome. ;)

## wiLL I geT SuB 1 miN? YeS, oR yEs?

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#### Nir1213

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When you learn ZBF2L, then I will stop. Alright, bruh?
but seriously, no jokes here, why in the first case do you have to rotate? You can do the case without rotating. Because its inneficent?

#### Spacey10

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but seriously, no jokes here, why in the first case do you have to rotate? You can do the case without rotating. Because its inneficent?
The finger tricks are better

#### Nir1213

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The cases are taken from the ZBF2L page.

It is what it is bruh. Alpha male strikes again.

@Nir1213 Just do the inverse of the case ( perform the algorithm in reverse)
so for the case R' F R F', just set it up by doing it as F R' F' R
haha! just did my first alg all on my own! Now i have to remember it in my heart...
7 more cases to go!

#### Kaneki Uchiha

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why do you even need to learn zbf2l and 4lll for sub 1 minute. I know two people who are sub 1 with R U R' U' for permuting and orienting and only know how to do h perms z perms nd both the u perms I find it pointless to make a thread which can be achieved by doing 200 to 500 solves

#### Nir1213

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Your comment is off topic. Pls put this comment somewhere else or delete it.

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#### Kaneki Uchiha

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Your comment is off topic. Pls put this comment somewhere else or delete it.

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but it is not my comment is completely related to this thread

#### Spacey10

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Your comment is off topic. Pls put this comment somewhere else or delete it.

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No it's not

#### Kyle™

why do you even need to learn zbf2l and 4lll for sub 1 minute. I know two people who are sub 1 with R U R' U' for permuting and orienting and only know how to do h perms z perms nd both the u perms I find it pointless to make a thread which can be achieved by doing 200 to 500 solves
I'm setting up OP for long term success,
Everybody is different. I've taught lots of people different methods. ZBF2L + 7OLL is by far the least amount of information to learn for speedsolving at 15-20 seconds average.

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i was jk but why does he have to criticize
It's a forum, anybody is open to criticism.
I'm setting up OP for long term success,
Everybody is different. I've taught lots of people different methods. ZBF2L + 7OLL is by far the least amount of information to learn for speedsolving at 15-20 seconds average.
Overall, OLL is better than ZBF2L + 7 OLL.

#### Nir1213

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I'm setting up OP for long term success,
Everybody is different. I've taught lots of people different methods. ZBF2L + 7OLL is by far the least amount of information to learn for speedsolving at 15-20 seconds average.
yes your right. Learning ZBF2L in beginners method will no just make me sub 1 min, but maybe even sub 50 seconds.
It's a forum, anybody is open to criticism.
oh well i guess i need to be armed.
Overall, OLL is better than ZBF2L + 7 OLL.
you meant "Full OLL"

#### Nir1213

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why do you even need to learn zbf2l and 4lll for sub 1 minute. I know two people who are sub 1 with R U R' U' for permuting and orienting and only know how to do h perms z perms nd both the u perms I find it pointless to make a thread which can be achieved by doing 200 to 500 solves
i might as well already be sub 1 minute, might rename this to sub 50 sec avg quest. But that wont be necessary as when i complete this goal im going to switch to more advanced methods.

#### Skewb_Cube

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normal oll not the full one has long algs ZBF2L is basically oll without the long algs you know that?
But full OLL is shorter than ZBF2L, in number of algs. And lots of OLLs are short and fast to execute and recognize.

#### Nir1213

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But full OLL is shorter than ZBF2L, in number of algs. And lots of OLLs are short and fast to execute and recognize.
im not talking about full oll. And also the ZBF2L one i mentioned i only meant the 8 cases @Kyle™ posted to me so i could improve.

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im not talking about full oll. And also the ZBF2L one i mentioned i only meant the 8 cases @Kyle™ posted to me so i could improve.
Yeah those ZBF2L + 7 OLL is useful, but eventually, you will have to learn full OLL at some point.

#### Nir1213

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ok gonna be practicing dose zbf2l algs! Ima tell you when i get the second one.

#### Skewb_Cube

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im not talking about full oll. And also the ZBF2L one i mentioned i only meant the 8 cases @Kyle™ posted to me so i could improve.
Oh, ok.