Most Complicated WCA Event Ever??

[Caleb Valenzuela]

The purpose of this thread is to find out what is the most complicated WCA event of all time. It can be complicated/complex in a few ways:
1- In terms of methods. This means it has a lot of methods, or some methods are quite difficult.
2- In terms of learning. This means the event is difficult/confusing to learn.
3- In terms of solving. This means the event is difficult to solve in terms of physical and mental capability (eg. MBLD)
4-In terms of organizing. This means the event is difficult to organize at a regular WCA competition.
5-In term of knowledge. This means the event requires a good amount of cube knowledge in order to even know how to solve it.
6-In terms of practicing. This means the event is hard to practice at home.
I can add some more criteria for a "complicated event" if this is not enough.

Here's what i think is the most complicated event:
MBLD. If i were to rate it based on each criteria this is what it would look like:
In terms of methods: 7/10. Based on my knowledge, the amount of methods in MBLD is about the same as normal 3BLD but BLD being BLD, most methods are quite difficult (from a non-BLD solver perspective)
In terms of learning: 8/10. It must be quite tiring to try and solve multiple cubes blind and just seeing it still scrambled.
In terms of solving: 9/10. Pretty harsh mentally just because you have to remember the phrases for both cubes and it can be easy to mix them up.
In terms of organizing: 7/10. MBLDers would need to have a separate area (i think?) to solve. So that would make things more complicated for organizers especially if most comps are held in malls (like the Philippines).
In terms of knowledge: 6/10. You need to have decent knowledge of the cube, but not as much as some people like Yiheng or Tymon.
in terms of practicing: 9/10. It's hard to practice MBLD because solving multiple cubes per attempt is quite tiring, so getting a decent amount of practice in a single day is hard.

let me know if i'm wrong and if there is something i am misunderstanding about MBLD

Most Complicated Event
MBLD: 4
2x2: 1
FMC: 2
5BLD: 1

 

[abunickabhi]

Yeah I agree with you.

Mutli blind is pretty hard event on all fronts.

 

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3 letters: FMC

 

[Fred]

The purpose of this thread is to find out what is the most complicated WCA event of all time. It can be complicated/complex in a few ways:
1- In terms of methods. This means it has a lot of methods, or some methods are quite difficult.
2- In terms of learning. This means the event is difficult/confusing to learn.
3- In terms of solving. This means the event is difficult to solve in terms of physical and mental capability (eg. MBLD)
4-In terms of organizing. This means the event is difficult to organize at a regular WCA competition.
5-In term of knowledge. This means the event requires a good amount of cube knowledge in order to even know how to solve it.
6-In terms of practicing. This means the event is hard to practice at home.
I can add some more criteria for a "complicated event" if this is not enough.

Here's what i think is the most complicated event:
MBLD. If i were to rate it based on each criteria this is what it would look like:
In terms of methods: 7/10. Based on my knowledge, the amount of methods in MBLD is about the same as normal 3BLD but BLD being BLD, most methods are quite difficult (from a non-BLD solver perspective)
In terms of learning: 8/10. It must be quite tiring to try and solve multiple cubes blind and just seeing it still scrambled.
In terms of solving: 9/10. Pretty harsh mentally just because you have to remember the phrases for both cubes and it can be easy to mix them up.
In terms of organizing: 7/10. MBLDers would need to have a separate area (i think?) to solve. So that would make things more complicated for organizers especially if most comps are held in malls (like the Philippines).
In terms of knowledge: 6/10. You need to have decent knowledge of the cube, but not as much as some people like Yiheng or Tymon.
in terms of practicing: 9/10. It's hard to practice MBLD because solving multiple cubes per attempt is quite tiring, so getting a decent amount of practice in a single day is hard.

let me know if i'm wrong and if there is something i am misunderstanding about MBLD

Multiblind is very complicated at the top level, but don't let that scare you off. It's only slightly harder than 3BLD to get into for beginners. And 3BLD isn't hard to get into either. Old Pochmann is a rather simple method, and you can get used to it by practicing with your eyes open. Tracing is a new thing to learn, but you don't have to track where pieces move around like inspecting cross or cross+1 in sighted 3x3. Memorization is straightforward too. You have to learn the association between stickers and letters, but that's no harder than learning cube notation for learning algs. Actually, I used to just memorize the sticker locations directly, which is very simple but also very bad (lot of DNFs).

1- In terms of methods, 3x3 and its variants (OH and FMC) have the most methods, and some are quite difficult. Blind events are probably next, with multiblind (Graham Siggins) having the most difficult method: full floating 3-style with different letter pairs for each buffer. Or in other words, a ton of algs, and a ton of words used to memorize those cases, that you have to connect with those algs. I don't think people do full floating yet on big blind.
2- In terms of learning, square-1 was pretty difficult. On most other puzzles, you can usually do the first step intuitively, but cube shape is quite difficult to figure out with intuition. But 5BLD might be the hardest. There are versions of M2 ("New Pochmann," barely harder than Old Pochmann) for every piece type that are not too hard to learn, but putting it all together with zero mistakes is a daunting task.
3- In terms of solving, I'd still go for 5BLD. Just one mistake and you're done, and there's a lot of solving to get through. In multiblind you can still solve a bunch more cubes and get a good score, even if you mess up somewhere. And then there's turning quickly and accurately on a big cube with your eyes closed, and not accidentally dragging along an extra layer. Multiblinders having to keep up their full mental focus for an entire hour is also very hard.
4- In terms of organizing, FMC and blind events, for sure. Some organizers do PBQ (please be quiet) comps with all of those events together. Another common option is to put one of those events first on the schedule to maximize the quietness.
5- In terms of knowledge, I'll go with FMC.
6- In terms of practicing, multiblind for sure. In addition to turning stickers into letters into words into stories, big blind and multiblind puts those stories on a memorized path through various locations (known as a memory palace). If you practice too frequently, your palace might still be cluttered with memo from your previous attempt. Top multiblinders have several memory palaces to counteract this.

After going through the categories, multiblind looks like a good pick for the most complicated event, with 5BLD and FMC also being up there.

 

[bldcuber314]

At a high level I would definitely say MBLD

 

[OtaMota]

Guess the event

1- In terms of methods. This means it has a lot of methods, or some methods are quite difficult.

This event has a lot of methods, and they are not methods you could pick up in a day, they also have a lot of algs

2- In terms of learning. This means the event is difficult/confusing to learn.

Learning 100s of algs is not easy.

3- In terms of solving. This means the event is difficult to solve in terms of physical and mental capability (eg. MBLD)

Turning fast is physically hard, and remembering lots of algs and keeping nerves calm is mentally hard

4-In terms of organizing. This means the event is difficult to organize at a regular WCA competition.

It is a very popular event, which can make it hard to organize as there will probably be a lot of time set for it in the schedule. It is also an event which can be hard to regulate in some situations.

5-In term of knowledge. This means the event requires a good amount of cube knowledge in order to even know how to solve it.

Admittedly, don’t need to know much at all to solve it, but to solve it fast, it definitely requires good knowledge of the puzzle.

6-In terms of practicing. This means the event is hard to practice at home.

Okay this one is convoluted, but because of the sheer difference between the number of solves you do at home vs comp, your pb average is gonna be much faster than your pr average, and then at home, you are gonna be sad that the times you are getting at home are no where near the times to get at comp. (Okay I had to stretch for this one)

 

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FMC????

 

[OtaMota]

FMC????

Nope

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

Guess the event

This event has a lot of methods, and they are not methods you could pick up in a day, they also have a lot of algs


Learning 100s of algs is not easy.


Turning fast is physically hard, and remembering lots of algs and keeping nerves calm is mentally hard


It is a very popular event, which can make it hard to organize as there will probably be a lot of time set for it in the schedule. It is also an event which can be hard to regulate in some situations.


Admittedly, don’t need to know much at all to solve it, but to solve it fast, it definitely requires good knowledge of the puzzle.


Okay this one is convoluted, but because of the sheer difference between the number of solves you do at home vs comp, your pb average is gonna be much faster than your pr average, and then at home, you are gonna be sad that the times you are getting at home are no where near the times to get at comp. (Okay I had to stretch for this one)

squan?

 

[OtaMota]

squan?

Nope

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

Nope

3x3?

 

[SkewbIsTheBestEvent]

Guess the event

This event has a lot of methods, and they are not methods you could pick up in a day, they also have a lot of algs


Learning 100s of algs is not easy.


Turning fast is physically hard, and remembering lots of algs and keeping nerves calm is mentally hard


It is a very popular event, which can make it hard to organize as there will probably be a lot of time set for it in the schedule. It is also an event which can be hard to regulate in some situations.


Admittedly, don’t need to know much at all to solve it, but to solve it fast, it definitely requires good knowledge of the puzzle.


Okay this one is convoluted, but because of the sheer difference between the number of solves you do at home vs comp, your pb average is gonna be much faster than your pr average, and then at home, you are gonna be sad that the times you are getting at home are no where near the times to get at comp. (Okay I had to stretch for this one)

I was confident until you talked about the regulations part, which it gave it away. It is 2x2 (Otamota is also one of the admins of the 2x2 solvers discord and likes 2x2 so that also helped)

 

[OtaMota]

I was confident until you talked about the regulations part, which it gave it away. It is 2x2 (Otamota is also one of the admins of the 2x2 solvers discord and likes 2x2 so that also helped)

Correct