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was the 3x3 WR really broken ? I read on Crazybadcuber's Facebook page about a mexican guy who did it in 4.41 secs !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which personally I can't believe
Any info about this ?
I still can't believe it , but it looks like it's real .
edit 2: http://worldcubeassociation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1053
edit (hijack):
more videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UPDPZRZtYo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=5XGfYydlovg (second solve)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJraOHeWU5w
Martín's WCA profile:http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=2011TELA01
Competition: http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/c.php?i=PerryOpen2013
Scorecard image: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2873&d=1369626042
The scramble he should have received: F2 D2 B2 F2 R F2 L' D2 B U B2 R' F2 U' F' D' L D2
Martín's results for that round: (4.41) (18.90) 14.71 18.68 16.53 => 16.64
Important posts:
Compilation: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/s...ry-Open-Mexico&p=858285&viewfull=1#post858285
was the 3x3 WR really broken ? I read on Crazybadcuber's Facebook page about a mexican guy who did it in 4.41 secs !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which personally I can't believe
Any info about this ?
I still can't believe it , but it looks like it's real .
edit 2: http://worldcubeassociation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1053
edit (hijack):
more videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UPDPZRZtYo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=5XGfYydlovg (second solve)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJraOHeWU5w
Martín's WCA profile:http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=2011TELA01
Competition: http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/c.php?i=PerryOpen2013
Scorecard image: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2873&d=1369626042
The scramble he should have received: F2 D2 B2 F2 R F2 L' D2 B U B2 R' F2 U' F' D' L D2
Martín's results for that round: (4.41) (18.90) 14.71 18.68 16.53 => 16.64
Important posts:
From the mexican forum:
The delegate:
"Ya envié los resultados, no tengo comentarios con respecto al solve de Martín, eso ya está en manos del board de la WCA"
Translation:
I have already sent the results, I have no comments on Martín's solve, this is already on the WCA board's hands
The competitor:
borre la publicación debido a que se podía dar a malos entendidos, en mi resolución me equivoque a la hora de ejecutar y después decidí improvisar algunos giros, me percate que dos pares del f2l estaban resueltos, así que decidí empezar a armar la cara blanca y en eso vi otro f2l resuelto, entonces busque el par restante que se resolvió con R U R' quedándome un oll skip y una J que resuelvo en menos de un segundo. la prerreconstrucciÓn (POSIBLE) de los primeros movimientos es esta D'L'R'U'DU2B2U'L'ULU'D'L'U'BL aunque no es pero es una aproximación, aun me encuentro trabajando en la verdadera reconstrucción pero es lo que hasta ahora he podido hacer. Mi juez y el delegado me preguntaron inmediatamente después de hacer el solve de como estaba el cubo (el patrón de la cruz amarilla que había decidido armar y el f2l) ( esto fue a mi parecer para revisar que el sramble fuese correcto) y se confirmo que mi resolución estuvo bien ejecutada con el scramble correcto.
Translation:
I erased the previous post because it could have been taken the wrong way, in my solve I made a mistake at the execution and then I decided to improvise some turns, I notieced that two f2l pairs were already solved, so I decided to start with the white face and then I saw another f2l pair solved, then I looked for the last pair which was solved with R U R', getting an OLL skip and a J perm that I solved in less than one second. The prereconstruction (POSSIBLE) of the first moves is this D'L'R'U'DU2B2U'L'ULU'D'L'U'BL although it is just an aproximation, I'm still working on the real reconstruction but this is what I've got so far. My judge and the delegate asked me immediately after the solve what was the state of the cube (the yellow cross pattern that I decided to solve and the f2l) (I guess this was to check if the scramble was the right one) and it was confirmed that the solve was executed correctly and the scramble was correct.
Hi everyone,
The WCA Board and IAC are in active discussion with Uriel, who was the delegate at this competition. Please bear with us.
There is not much that I can say right now, except that a 4.41 second solve was submitted in the official results, and that this is not believed to be a data entry error.
We will provide more information when it is appropriate to do so.
Thanks,
Tim
Just to clarify some things about the video. This was filmed after he solved the cube. In the video you can actually hear how he takes the cube from the table and "purposedly" scrambles it One Handed and after that they take pictures.
I dare to say that the mexican community is NOT claiming the WR. This guy has a history of cheating and in the very best case we would be talking about a badley scrambled cube.
anyway, he has also posted on the mexican page that he is "studying" papers on studies of the proof of the God's Algorithm. It seems to me that his "reconstruction" has turned to nothing more than a "fewest move" competition where he is trying to find a triple X-cross, and OLL skip and a J perm as he previously stated. I would guess that he is not going to be able to do it (thanks to qqref who has also proved it is impossible).
1) Ernesto Mendoza Dimas, a cuber with experience in Mexico who takes competitions very seriously; he would die before cheating-Who Judged the WR-solve?
-Did anyone else saw the solve?
-Who Scrambled the Cube?
-Who printed the Scrambles?
2)Yes, theres 2 or 3 cubers claiming that they saw the solution and swearing what Martin Telésforo has said.
3)I don't know that, but Ernesto checked the scramble
4)Our delegate, Uriel Gayosso Ruiz
scramble: F2 D2 B2 F2 R F2 L' D2 B U B2 R' F2 U' F' D' L D2
D L' B R2 U L2 B' D' B U D2 L' D2 R U F2 y R U R' U2 Jperm
Optimal given his ending
there are other 16 move starts too the results for these give the same number of moves for the solution, vast majority are 17 moves or more though.
Implications are that he must have done at least 30 moves in 4.41 seconds which gives 6.8 tps. This is assuming he found the optimal solution and uses optimal Jperms also.
I overlooked 1 case which can be solved in 29 moves. It is a 16 move xxxcross and no AUF on the Jperm, but it gives the 'bad' Jperm. It is F R2 B L F D2 L2 D B' D' F2 R' D2 F' R2 F2.
However, looking more closely at the sources I believe we can conclude that his last layer was in fact yellow. The result from those cases gives the lower bound as 30 still.
video description said:The claim is that the cube was solved using a triple x cross, R U R' last insertion, and a J perm.
The scramble: F2 D2 B2 F2 R F2 L' D2 B U B2 R' F2 U' F' D' L D2
I solved it using one of the optimal solutions given the constraints: D L' B R2 U L2 B' D' B U D2 L' D2 R U F2 y R U R' U2 Jperm
Of course this may not have been the exact solution, but I'm just showing how absurd it would be for someone to get a 4.41 on this scramble in an actual competition.
I could barely get under 4.41 despite trying over 100 times, already knowing the solution, and having absolutely 0 pauses for lookahead.
In my opinion there is absolutely no way someone could do this in a real competition without having cheated beforehand.
The Riviera Steak and Seafood place looks good.
But realistically there is no way he did this in 4.41 in the competition. This took me over 100 attempts, and I had perfect lookahead and execution.
Here:He posted it on the mexican forum facebook group. Here:
Since everyone seems to be questioning everything, I took a couple of screens from things he posted on the forum himself. Here:
If you also doubt this, feel free to check the forum yourself or talk to him directly.
Here's some screens of what his judge said (another forum) about the solve and the competition for whoever is interested:
There's more but I'm busy and there's tons of posts so feel free to check for yourself. If you need anything translated let me know, but most things were already translated here and like I said, they're fine.
Links to the forums for whoever is interested:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/rubikmexico/ -> Where all of this was posted.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/cuboderubikenmexico/ -> Some comments from the judge.
First image: Translation already posted.
Second image:
1. The 3x3 WR (4.41) is right, I'm the one who broke it. Very short [solution]. To be honest I made a mistake, but it is right (i.e. truth). I'm working on the reconstruction right now.
2. In the solve, three blocks were solved, the last f2l was lucky, oll skip and a sub1 J perm.
-> Comment1: My error was during the blocks.
3. (same thing as before, but different forum).
4. Time to study: <link to paper>
-> Comments: All irrelevant but mentions he wants to do the reconstruction
Third image (judge):
1. [...] I was Martín's judge and the solve was very lucky. For me it, what happened was very lucky, although he mentioned he made a mistake during the cross. 4.41 is too low of a time to react [correct] a mistake. If he can reconstruct the solve, it will be official. Otherwise, I doubt it (i.e. "doubt", not official). As a judge, I evaluate that there was no mistake during the solve, but pre-solve [problems] must be verified, which will be discussed with the right people. [...]
2. I don't see it as a deal (i.e. bribe the scrambler), because Nitram (the scrambler) is a 12 years old boy who doesn't even think of this stuff, I know him. [...] (additional stuff about the general organization, such as mentioning two of the organizers never had been to a competition and such).
3. More stuff about the organization.
[...] = random stuff and ramblings about the organization.
Compilation: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/s...ry-Open-Mexico&p=858285&viewfull=1#post858285
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