#### waffle=ijm

##### Waffo
anyone familiar with this 4x4 method? anyway i'm looking into this and actually trying this out. F3L is really really easy but I got really confused about which algorithms to use for which case when it comes to last layer. step 7 at http://blue.kracknet.net/~snkenjoi/k4/ gives a list of a bunch of 3-cycle algs and things of that sort however i don't know how to use them since there is nothing said about which pieces move where. anyone know how to???

#### pjk

Staff member
K4 can be very fast. One of my friends used it for 4x4 and can do a sub 1:10 avg with it, and he also used a K4 "hybrid" method he made for 5x5 and can avg around 2:00.

anyway, as far as the last layer, it is pure commutators. If you know how to use them, it will become easy with practice. If you don't, I'd suggest learning. As far as the algs listed on the K4 site, I'd suggest doing them in reverse to see what it will fix, etc.

#### waffle=ijm

##### Waffo
thanks! I've actually used K4 once already and if i didn't get stuck on the last layer, it would've been sub 1:45. So I'm gonna start looking into commuters more than i do now

#### Kenneth

##### Not Alot
Goto the guides section, look for "Kenneth's big cube...". in that tread there are loads of algs for the last layer edges.

#### waffle=ijm

##### Waffo
THANK YOU! This will definitely make K4 a little easier to learn

#### Kenneth

##### Not Alot
lol, that's my old page (I lost the passwords and cannot get them back as it is now =)

I'm not using that method for the edges anymore, the 3-step ELL in my guide here at Speedsolving is better, uses lesser turns and has got really fast recognition. Also, for some of the cases at the old page I know better algs nowdays

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#### waffle=ijm

##### Waffo

so i guess I'll use the 3 step ELL here