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IsThatA4x4’s CFOP progression thread // Road to sub 10! // Working on: Cross + 1, Better F2L solutions

lawofthecube

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Yeah, tbh Tymon would be so much better if he didn't do any ZBLL or ZBLS tricks. He's not doing himself any favors. It's better just to do LL in two steps instead of one. The fact that he turns bad OLL's into a ZBLL is even more repulsive, really just put your years of those stupid Pseudo techniques (Pseudo God, really Tymon?) and those LL influencing away. You're better off using plain old OLL and PLL for CFOP LL. It's called CFOP not PCFZ.

Since you like regular CFOP, do you feel that COLL is also not necessary or do you like it and find it applicable on some solves? I noticed that most people use COLL without the sune's so it's only like 30 extra algs...

Or any other subsets?

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bulkocuber

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Since you like regular CFOP, do you feel that COLL is also not necessary or do you like it and find it applicable on some solves? I noticed that most people use COLL without the sune's so it's only like 30 extra algs...
TCC seems to be dead (😭).
Almost everyone agrees sune COLL are not worth it and I personally think that COLL doesn't really save much time: longer recognition into a worse alg to get a better (not even always) PLL. I'd just learn how to avoid diag PLLs; however, the recognition is useful for OLL to PLL transition. ZBLL is a lot cooler but that's just my personal opinion (probably wrong for you) and you should learn whatever you want and whatever is more fun for you.
 

lawofthecube

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TCC seems to be dead (😭).
Almost everyone agrees sune COLL are not worth it and I personally think that COLL doesn't really save much time: longer recognition into a worse alg to get a better (not even always) PLL. I'd just learn how to avoid diag PLLs; however, the recognition is useful for OLL to PLL transition. ZBLL is a lot cooler but that's just my personal opinion (probably wrong for you) and you should learn whatever you want and whatever is more fun for you.

Thanks for your answer but what is TCC...lol
 

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lawofthecube

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Kinda, unless I have nerves, then I try to turn calmly but end up locking up every 2 seconds and getting a 15.
Also, I think I was trying to turn a little slower for that session, just to see what would happen, and I got 2 sub-9s so it was a success I guess.

I think what I liked with your solve was that you seemed very present with your solving. It is quite seducing to get ahead of a solve either wanting to go faster or just being out of sync with one's mind, body and cube combination...
 

IsThatA4x4

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Generated By csTimer on 2022-06-13
single: 7.47

Time List:
1. 7.47 L2 U2 L2 F2 L2 U2 B L2 F' U2 B2 U' L R2 U R D2 U L2 B'

x2 y U D L F' B D2 L' D' // Cross
U2 y' L U' L2 U L // Pairs 1 & 2
U' y L' U2 L U' L' U L // Pair #3
U' R U' R' U2 R U' R' // Pair #4
U R' U' R' F R F' R' F R F' U R // OLL
// PLL skip
43/7.47=5.8 TPS

PB by 0.05!
 

IsThatA4x4

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Generated By csTimer on 2022-06-15
avg of 12: 10.77

Time List:
1. 10.52 R B2 D2 B R2 B' D2 B' D2 R2 F' L2 U' L' B2 U2 L2 D' R2 F
2. 10.00 L' B' R2 F2 U F' D2 R D' R' U2 L B2 L' F2 R D2 L' F2 U2 R'
3. 9.88 B' D' L B' D R2 U R' D' F2 B2 L2 D F2 L2 B2 L2 D F2 U F
4. 10.25 U2 L2 U' R2 U2 B2 D' R2 F2 L2 B' R' D R' F' L U F' L2 D
5. (14.00) U2 F R U' B' U2 L2 D' L' F2 B2 U R2 D2 R2 L2 D' R2 U2 L2 F
6. 10.49 D F2 D' L2 R2 D2 R2 D' B2 R2 L F L2 R D L2 R F2 R2 U
7. 11.58 F' R2 B U2 L2 R2 F' L2 B2 D2 F' D R D' R' D F2 L' F R
8. 11.24 L' B' U R2 F2 D' B2 L2 F2 L2 D2 B2 D L R U' F' D' R' B'
9. (8.75) F2 L2 D2 F U2 R2 B R2 F' L2 U2 F' L U2 L B2 U F2 D' F2
10. 12.02 F2 D F' R D2 B' L2 D R2 B2 D' L2 B2 D2 L2 U F2 R' D
11. 11.80 F2 U' B' L2 F R2 U2 F L2 B2 L2 F' U2 B' L U2 R' F D R2 B'
12. 9.87 D2 F U2 B U2 F U2 R2 D2 F' R2 F D' U2 R D' B' U2 R' F'

Maybe I should start doing timed solves for real again...
 

IsThatA4x4

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A nice mo3 (not PB)
Generated By csTimer on 2022-06-18
mean of 3: 9.79

Time List:
1. 11.03 R2 D B2 D2 B L2 B R2 B L2 B L2 R2 D' R' F U' R2 F' L
2. 9.63 R2 L2 D' F' L B' U R2 D F2 D2 B2 L U2 R D2 L U2 R' D2 R'
3. 8.71 R2 D2 L2 R2 B' L2 B2 R2 B' R2 F' L' R' D' R B F R2 U'

Edit: got a nice ao5 after
Generated By csTimer on 2022-06-18
avg of 5: 10.19

Time List:
1. 9.63 R2 L2 D' F' L B' U R2 D F2 D2 B2 L U2 R D2 L U2 R' D2 R'
2. (8.71) R2 D2 L2 R2 B' L2 B2 R2 B' R2 F' L' R' D' R B F R2 U'
3. (13.80) B2 R2 U' F2 L2 U' L2 D' R2 F2 U2 L' D' R D' F' L2 D' B2 U F
4. 11.03 U2 D F D' B2 D' R2 L' B' D' R2 U' B2 R2 D R2 F2 R2 F2 D2 B2
5. 9.91 L' B2 F2 R2 U2 R' B2 R D2 L' B2 R2 F' L' R' F' U2 L' U' F' R2
 

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There's something I've been wanting to do for at least 8 months at this point, but I've had to keep postponing it because it's kinda time consuming...
I want to do 1000 3x3 solves. In one sitting...
Back when I first wanted to do this, I averaged 17, and it would've taken 10 hours (includes scramble and inspection time)
Now, I average 11, and including scramble and inspection time, it would take me 6.9 hours (no I'm not joking that's just the way it is).
With the summer holidays coming up, I might finally be able to find the time to do it!
But at what cost...
 

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There's something I've been wanting to do for at least 8 months at this point, but I've had to keep postponing it because it's kinda time consuming...
I want to do 1000 3x3 solves. In one sitting...
Back when I first wanted to do this, I averaged 17, and it would've taken 10 hours (includes scramble and inspection time)
Now, I average 11, and including scramble and inspection time, it would take me 6.9 hours (no I'm not joking that's just the way it is).
With the summer holidays coming up, I might finally be able to find the time to do it!
But at what cost...
Your mom's probably gonna scream at you to stop that clacking noise after a few hours, and your hands are gonna start blistering
 

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I'm thinking of learning a couple more COLLs (at least to avoid diag, it's getting annoying with the N perms on sub-8 or sub-9 pace). Which subsets would be a good idea? Here's what I have in mind:
I already use (incl. standard OLLs)
4/4 H
3/6 Pi
2/6 T (lefty and righty oll alg)
4/6 L (I don't like the matching colour on top ones yet, I need to practice them)
2/6 U (R2' D' [...] and R2 D [...] algs)

I want to learn full TUL COLL, is that useful? The algs don't look bad at all (this is not sarcastic for the record even though saying this makes it seem more that way...)
 

IsThatA4x4

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Got a 8.06 stackmat hand scramble single while doing some comp style timing practice
(Fullstep, X-cross), which is PB4 so that's nice.
I'm trying to get more consistent to avoid a Weston Super-Mare finals incident so I'll be working on efficiency more so that when I turn slow I can get good solutions.
 
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