Is have something skills make ROUX method can compete with CFOP+ZBLL

[BLUE JIANGUO]

ZBLL is 471 algs in Last layer ,cfop add ZB maybe is the best sloves.dose ROUX method have a skills like cfop+zbll?
cfop+zbll need more algs(40+57+21+471 omg)//roux+???(42+?????)
i mean cfop's skills maybe need big large algssssss,roux just 42 maybe enough,maybe need no more,or need how number algs.
also cfop have lot of skiils like WV COLL OLLCP ......... i didnot know have any skiils in roux method......
and how many algs in acmll hundred or thousand i didnot know that
maybe roux+acmll=cfop+zbll？

 

[precompsubwr]

I believe top roux solvers use EOLR, combining EO step with L/R edges

Here's a link to the website, it includes a video and a pdf with all the algs

Roux Method Guide by Kian - EOLR

This page explains the Roux method substep called EOLR. EOLR stands for edge orientation left (and) right. This combines steps 4a and 4b of roux last six edges. The idea behind it is that you solve EO in a specific way in order to put the UL UR edges on the bottom. There are only about 60 cases to

sites.google.com

Also idk how many cases are in acmll, probably around 600

 

[BLUE JIANGUO]

I believe top roux solvers use EOLR, combining EO step with L/R edges

Here's a link to the website, it includes a video and a pdf with all the algs

Roux Method Guide by Kian - EOLR

This page explains the Roux method substep called EOLR. EOLR stands for edge orientation left (and) right. This combines steps 4a and 4b of roux last six edges. The idea behind it is that you solve EO in a specific way in order to put the UL UR edges on the bottom. There are only about 60 cases to

sites.google.com

Also idk how many cases are in acmll, probably around 60

I believe top roux solvers use EOLR, combining EO step with L/R edges

Here's a link to the website, it includes a video and a pdf with all the algs

Roux Method Guide by Kian - EOLR

This page explains the Roux method substep called EOLR. EOLR stands for edge orientation left (and) right. This combines steps 4a and 4b of roux last six edges. The idea behind it is that you solve EO in a specific way in order to put the UL UR edges on the bottom. There are only about 60 cases to

sites.google.com

Also idk how many cases are in acmll, probably around 600

acmll is so many algs,maybe let second block + cmll→second pair +last pair+cmll?.
eolr is so cool but we did not kow how many algs,its just eo+ep its easy to see what we do it.i heard something about l7e,maybe its one way to help the roux.

 

[ruffleduck]

acmll is so many algs,maybe let second block + cmll→second pair +last pair+cmll?.
eolr is so cool but we did not kow how many algs,its just eo+ep its easy to see what we do it.i heard something about l7e,maybe its one way to help the roux.

EOLR is by far the most useful algorithm set to use in Roux (beyond the fundamental CMLL algorithm set). I don't think ACMLL is particularly worth it. L7E is not Roux, because Roux is always L6E. There are methods inspired by Roux that don't complete SB and opt for L7E--but again, those methods are not Roux

 

[BLUE JIANGUO]

EOLR 是迄今为止在 Roux 中使用的最有用的算法集（超出了基本的 CMLL 算法集）。我不认为ACMLL特别值得。L7E 不是 Roux，因为 Roux 始终是 L6E。有些受 Roux 启发的方法没有完成 SB 并选择了 L7E——但同样，这些方法不是 Roux

yes i know , in my china roux group,we find a new way to make roux fast,we remake the roux steps about
1 first block + second square
2 last pair + cmll
3 lse
our cube forums is nobody talk about this , so i come here try to find somepeople who think the same way as us
i hear roux palyer "Athefre" in here ,maybe i need @him.
i realy want to know our way is good for roux
the first to propose him began research in 2017
now will be coming

 

[BLUE JIANGUO]

yes i know , in my china roux group,we find a new way to make roux fast,we remake the roux steps about
1 first block + second square
2 last pair + cmll
3 lse
our cube forums is nobody talk about this , so i come here try to find somepeople who think the same way as us
i hear roux palyer "Athefre" in here ,maybe i need @him.
i realy want to know our way is good for roux
the first to propose him began research in 2017
now will be coming

@Athefre

 

[Spencer131]

Also idk how many cases are in acmll, probably around 600

what is acmll?

 

[Athefre]

@Athefre

This is commonly called "SBC" in the English speaking community. It is unknown if it is useful. The move count is lower, but some have expressed the feeling that setting up to a pair isn't good. The method would still be four steps. First block > Second Square > Set up pair then SBC > LSE.

Also, ACMLL is way fewer than 600 algorithms. You learn only the ACMLL sets that are useful. Such as flipped pair or pair on the D layer. Learn those few and you can have pretty much the same move count as SBC with fewer algorithms and better recognition.

 

[Filipe Teixeira]

roux gud cfop not so gud

 

[BLUE JIANGUO]

This is commonly called "SBC" in the English speaking community. It is unknown if it is useful. The move count is lower, but some have expressed the feeling that setting up to a pair isn't good. The method would still be four steps. First block > Second Square > Set up pair then SBC > LSE.

Also, ACMLL is way fewer than 600 algorithms. You learn only the ACMLL sets that are useful. Such as flipped pair or pair on the D layer. Learn those few and you can have pretty much the same move count as SBC with fewer algorithms and better recognition.

Thanks for the answer, we think second square and set up pair then sbc is easy.
we don't set up pair , just only set coner,edges is everywhere ,donot care it
coner we just use 1-2moves tu set up it ,and use alg sloves it and cmll
this step we finished pair&cmll
It was invented by a rouxer called 田野（YancyScofield）
I just try to talk with the english speaking community,because in my chinese community is very difficult to circulate
maybe lot of cuber can get attention here,but i canot reveal much now
i love to share something abou it,but that's not waht im creating.

 

[BLUE JIANGUO]

here is some example

S：B' L' F' R D' B U2 L F L2 B D2 L' U L2 D' B' U R U' L2

FB+SS：Z2 D R' F2 R2 D' R D （ r' U' r U' R U' R' U R U2 R U' R'--20

LAST PAIR+CMLL：U' R' F R' F' R U F R' F' R U' M2 U R--15

LSE:M' U' M U2 M' U' M' U2 M2 U' M' U2 M' U2--14

this is my example，maybe let FB+SS use more movement
i ues computer（cstimer）slove fb+ss just only use 11-13move
last pair+ CMLL up to use 12-14 move
we need about 25 move to start lse
usually we we up to need 30move（in fb + ss step）

last pair + cmll this step we called SCOR
SCOR skip cmll of roux
so here is ture example

S：B' L' F' R D' B U2 L F L2 B D2 L' U L2 D' B' U R U' L2

FB+SS：Z2 D R' F2 R2 D' R D r' U' r U' R U' R' U R U2 R U' R'

SCOR：U' R' F R' F' R U F R' F' R U' M2 U R

LSE:M' U' M U2 M' U' M' U2 M2 U' M' U2 M' U2

FB+SS maybe this step can use less move (x，15)
SCOR this step move（8,14）

 

[Athefre]

Do you always solve the last pair edge at the end of the algorithm? Is the edge solved intuitively?

Do you have an example for "coner we just use 1-2moves tu set up it"?

There are a couple of related things to research. First, there is a method called 42. The steps are FB > SS > Last Five Corners (L5C) > Last Seven Edges (L7E). One of the variants is to use an algorithm set called SL5C. Then to solve L7E, you can solve the last pair edge just before finishing the corners. Your first example looks most like that. That is one of the several 42 method variants. L7E can be solved in many ways. There is also Tyrannical Caterpillar. In that you place the last pair corner where it belongs, either solved or misoriented, then solve CMLL while slotting the edge at some point.

 

[BLUE JIANGUO]

这里有一些例子

s:B'L'F'R D'B U2L F L2B D2L'U L2D'B'U R'L2

FB+SS:Z2D R'F2R2D'RD(r'U'r U'R U'R'U'R'UR U2R U'R'-20

最后一对+CMLL:U'R'F R'F'R U F'F'R'R U'M2U R--15

LSE:M'U'M U2M'U'M'U2M2U'M'U2--14

这是我的例子，也许FB+SS是用更多的动作
我用电脑计算(cstimer)slovefb+ss可以使用11-13move
最后一对+CMLL最多需要12-14
他们都可能25搬家让LSE开始
这是电脑slove，通常我们最多需要30(fb+ss需要更多的运动）

Do you always solve the last pair edge at the end of the algorithm? Is the edge solved intuitively?

Do you have an example for "coner we just use 1-2moves tu set up it"?

There are a couple of related things to research. First, there is a method called 42. The steps are FB > SS > Last Five Corners (L5C) > Last Seven Edges (L7E). One of the variants is to use an algorithm set called SL5C. Then to solve L7E, you can solve the last pair edge just before finishing the corners. Your first example looks most like that. That is one of the several 42 method variants. L7E can be solved in many ways. There is also Tyrannical Caterpillar. In that you place the last pair corner where it belongs, either solved or misoriented, then solve CMLL while slotting the edge at some point.

easy to say
its one way about tcmll
but this tcmll is not slove the one pair
wait sometime i will give a picture to show it（i hope u can understand my English speaking）

 

[BLUE JIANGUO]

Do you always solve the last pair edge at the end of the algorithm? Is the edge solved intuitively?

Do you have an example for "coner we just use 1-2moves tu set up it"?

There are a couple of related things to research. First, there is a method called 42. The steps are FB > SS > Last Five Corners (L5C) > Last Seven Edges (L7E). One of the variants is to use an algorithm set called SL5C. Then to solve L7E, you can solve the last pair edge just before finishing the corners. Your first example looks most like that. That is one of the several 42 method variants. L7E can be solved in many ways. There is also Tyrannical Caterpillar. In that you place the last pair corner where it belongs, either solved or misoriented, then solve CMLL while slotting the edge at some point.

S：B' L' F' R D' B U2 L F L2 B D2 L' U L2 D' B' U R U' L2

FB+SS：Z2 D R' F2 R2 D' R D r' U' r U' R U' R' U R U2 R U' R'

SCOR：U' R' F R' F' R U F R' F' R U' M2 U R

LSE：M' U' M U2 M' U' M' U2 M2 U' M' U2 M' U2

This step is fb+ss
FB：Z2 D R' F2 R2 D' R D
SS : r' U' r U' R U' R' U R U2 R U' R'
i also slove the SS
OK, let see SCOR step
SCOR：U' R' F R' F' R U F R' F' R U' M2 U R
SCOR：(U' R' )(F R' F' R U F R' F' R ）U' M2 U R
first ,coner is on the top layer ,we can use U move to coner is up and square is down(up down coner)
R' is let coner and SS is DR line is down（D 4 coner is right layer.....white coner） ,we can see top 4coner is top layer(yellow coner)
we can see just like tcll
so we use this (F R' F' R U F R' F' R ）to slove coner
then MU is easy to slove edges
ok now is easy to see we slove the last pair+cmll

 

[BLUE JIANGUO]

i just give one example , there are 6 different .all algs is big nummber

 

[BLUE JIANGUO]

S：B' L' F' R D' B U2 L F L2 B D2 L' U L2 D' B' U R U' L2

FB+SS：Z2 D R' F2 R2 D' R D r' U' r U' R U' R' U R U2 R U' R'

SCOR：U' R' F R' F' R U F R' F' R U' M2 U R

LSE：M' U' M U2 M' U' M' U2 M2 U' M' U2 M' U2

This step is fb+ss
FB：Z2 D R' F2 R2 D' R D
SS : r' U' r U' R U' R' U R U2 R U' R'
i also slove the SS
OK, let see SCOR step
SCOR：U' R' F R' F' R U F R' F' R U' M2 U R
SCOR：(U' R' )(F R' F' R U F R' F' R ）U' M2 U R
first ,coner is on the top layer ,we can use U move to coner is up and square is down(up down coner)
R' is let coner and SS is DR line is down（D 4 coner is right layer.....white coner） ,we can see top 4coner is top layer(yellow coner)
we can see just like tcll
so we use this (F R' F' R U F R' F' R ）to slove coner
then MU is easy to slove edges
ok now is easy to see we slove the last pair+cmll

if down coner is down its a tcll, also we can slove it

 

[Athefre]

I think I understand. You move the last bottom layer corner to be above the SS, then do R or R' to move it to the bottom. CMLL then solves the U layer corners relative to the bottom layer corner situation and twists the bottom layer corner if necessary. Then the last edge is solved intuitively.

I guess the idea is kind of new. It's similar to CCMLL (from the 42 method), but you use the bottom layer corner instead. I think the move count for the setup and solving the last pair edge needs to be calculated. The setup is 1-2 moves. Solving the final edge after CMLL (SCOR) is 4-5 moves? That's 5-7 moves, which is almost the same as solving the last pair by itself. It also doesn't improve the ergonomics, because you have to switch from the RUFD ergonomics of CMLL back to the RrUM to solve the edge. It could potentially be useful as a 42 method relative, though at that point L5C is already being used.

What kinds of benefits have been found for the idea? Is there an algorithm document or website? Any analysis?

 

[BLUE JIANGUO]

I think I understand. You move the last bottom layer corner to be above the SS, then do R or R' to move it to the bottom. CMLL then solves the U layer corners relative to the bottom layer corner situation and twists the bottom layer corner if necessary. Then the last edge is solved intuitively.

I guess the idea is kind of new. It's similar to CCMLL (from the 42 method), but you use the bottom layer corner instead. I think the move count for the setup and solving the last pair edge needs to be calculated. The setup is 1-2 moves. Solving the final edge after CMLL (SCOR) is 4-5 moves? That's 5-7 moves, which is almost the same as solving the last pair by itself. It also doesn't improve the ergonomics, because you have to switch from the RUFD ergonomics of CMLL back to the RrUM to solve the edge. It could potentially be useful as a 42 method relative, though at that point L5C is already being used.

What kinds of benefits have been found for the idea? Is there an algorithm document or website? Any analysis?

sry , no website. It was created by a single person since 2017,chines community is small，i just try to come here,I don't have more details, and I can't read all the author's notes, so I can wait for the author to complete it.
In 2017, 田野（yancyscofield）and Kian had discussed TOP white's “SF0” case.

here is a picture

 

[BLUE JIANGUO]

I think I understand. You move the last bottom layer corner to be above the SS, then do R or R' to move it to the bottom. CMLL then solves the U layer corners relative to the bottom layer corner situation and twists the bottom layer corner if necessary. Then the last edge is solved intuitively.

I guess the idea is kind of new. It's similar to CCMLL (from the 42 method), but you use the bottom layer corner instead. I think the move count for the setup and solving the last pair edge needs to be calculated. The setup is 1-2 moves. Solving the final edge after CMLL (SCOR) is 4-5 moves? That's 5-7 moves, which is almost the same as solving the last pair by itself. It also doesn't improve the ergonomics, because you have to switch from the RUFD ergonomics of CMLL back to the RrUM to solve the edge. It could potentially be useful as a 42 method relative, though at that point L5C is already being used.

What kinds of benefits have been found for the idea? Is there an algorithm document or website? Any analysis?

i went to community with 田野 about SCOR,TF0 TF+ TF- .......all of them is 12 case ,the picture is passed 6 case（TB 0/+/- SB0/+/-）
12case all of them algs is12*41=516
now is 6case,so we need 42*6 algs258
but we dont need more algs, some case is same，it just need 84algs（42*2）
After a lot of steps was passe
Let's not use more algs

Words don't Understand every thing about this SCOR
Maybe need wait 田野‘s video
I uesd lot of time to understand something about scor to explained to you

i hope to be able to get more ROUXER to come here
Otherwise, it would be useless for me to say more

 

[Athefre]

You could join the Roux Discord. That's where most English speaking Roux users communicate.

The idea needs some kind of analysis. The move count difference including all AUFs, all algorithms shown, and ergonomics. At least in the single example, if you take the move count for setting up the corner and add it to the move count for solving the last pair edge after the algorithm, it is close to equal the number of moves to just solve the last pair by itself (normal Roux). This is in general, not for that specific last pair case.

The provided example is one of the most convenient cases for the idea. When the U sticker of the corner is facing upwards, there is a small advantage because that last pair type is often a lot of moves in normal Roux. But what about the other corner orientations? Would it be better to just solve the last pair then use CMLL or ACMLL?

I once planned a large CMLL, ACMLL, and SBC comparison document. Each have their own uses depending on the last pair case. Maybe this could be added.