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I feel bad for Kian?

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They all could be faster if they didn't use roux tho... So sad
Roux has a ton of potential just comparing how many of the top 20 cubers in the world use Roux and matching that with the percentage of Rouxers worldwide. Both Kian and Sean Patrick only had 2.x years of cubing before they got sub-7. That's gotta say something.[/QUOTE]
 

Wish Lin

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Roux has a ton of potential just comparing how many of the top 20 cubers in the world use Roux and matching that with the percentage of Rouxers worldwide.
Not true at all. Roux's potential is, by all reputable accounts, equal to if not more than CFOP. Roux has so many advantages.
Yeah totally agree, it’s more fun too with those M and U moves. But the problem with Roux are that one, it isn’t a popular beginner’s method due to its block building not being algorithmic and lack of resources(relative to CFOP), making it hard for beginners to simply follow the book. And since THE beginner’s method is just a simplified CFOP it’s easier for beginners to follow the path and learn CFOP, Which in terms makes the percentage of speedcubers using Roux low.

That then in terms makes it’s resources way less than CFOP’s out there.Like a cycle.

Though not a Roux user myself, I don’t think that many Roux users either switch from Beginners method or switch from CFOP(as my Roux friends are). Quote me if this is not the case.
 

Sue Doenim

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And roux in 2019 is slower than cfop in 2017......
My point being that I think that Roux just needs to "catch up" with CFOP. After all, CFOP has been around for 38 years and Roux has only existed for 16.
Kians literally gotten to tilting his head to get better. Roux is running out of room to improve.
I think that Roux is better off than CFOP in that respect, actually. When's the last time you heard of that kind of innovation with CFOP?

I think it would be super interesting to do a legitimate statistical analysis of the two. I asked my brother, who has done AP Statistics, and he said that you would use a T-test to look at that. If someone would help me sort the top 100 or so official averages by method, we could have some concrete, objective evidence.
 
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While roux is catching up to cfop, cfop is pushing farther along...
With the cube having so many possible combinations I think both roux and cfop will continue to improve as methods for a very long time. While yes I do prefer cfop, I have to say roux is a pretty neat method and it certainly has advantages, like it can be done rotationless, and it has a lower move count. I would not be surprised if cfop has pretty much reached it's full potential when roux reaches the age cfop is now. However that is just my opinion, and I think both methods are equally viable, and I am interested to see where they go.
 
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With the cube having so many possible combinations I think both roux and cfop will continue to improve as methods for a very long time. While yes I do prefer cfop, I have to say roux is a pretty neat method and it certainly has advantages, like it can be done rotationless, and it has a lower move count. I would not be surprised if cfop has pretty much reached it's full potential when roux reaches the age cfop is now. However that is just my opinion, and I think both methods are equally viable, and I am interested to see where they go.
it's possible to be global sub5 with cfop
 

Sue Doenim

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Does anyone know of any Roux users in the top 100 Ao5s other than Sean Patrick Villanueva, Kian Mansour, Alexander Lau, and Kaijun Lin?
 

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While roux is catching up to cfop, cfop is pushing farther along...
it's possible to be global sub5 with cfop
Does anyone know of any Roux users in the top 100 Ao5s other than Sean Patrick Villanueva, Kian Mansour, Alexander Lau, and Kaijun Lin?
CFOP has more fast people not because it's faster, but because more people use it. If as many people used Roux as CFOP, the world rankings would most definitely look much different.
Why don't more people use Roux? Because virtually everyone learns to solve the cube with the Beginner's method, aka LBL. The transition to CFOP isn't difficult, because it's the same thing, just with a few steps combined together. Transitioning from LBL to Roux is much harder, because you essentially have to re-learn the cube from scratch. You have to learn how to blockbuild, you have to learn CMLL, and how the heck LSE is done.
This doesn't make Roux a bad method in any sense, it just makes it less popular. And saying Roux is reaching it's limits just because Kian started to implement that head-tilt thing isn't a valid argument - yes, it's a minor thing to improve, but it doesn't mean there aren't bigger improvements nobody has thought of yet.
Now, I'm not saying Roux is better. That's my main point, really: there isn't enough evidence yet that either is better. Maybe someday in the next few years someone will think up a brand new method that's different from anything we've made up before, and it will make both CFOP and Roux pale in comparison.
 
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