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How to progress the WCA for everyone's benefit

GodCubing

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Before we decide how to improve the WCA, we need to define what our ideal WCA would look like. Some small details might look different from person to person. However, I believe we all want to a WCA that is spectator friendly (to advance the sport), has diverse events (so events that are very similar should be removed, and events that are unique should be added), and is easy to organize (some events are not mandatory).

Spectator friendly events should be quick, but not instant (so no 1x1). By quick I mean for final rounds most solvers are under 1 minute. Also, the spectator should be able to visually see the puzzle getting solved (so clock and 15 puzzle are probably not good for spectators). Diverse events should be different meaning being good at one does not make you good at the other; if you can improve at an event by practicing a different event then 1 of them should be removed. Events that have the same approach to solving it are not diverse. Also, unique and different events should be added, for instance, FTO is a very different puzzle to any currently in the WCA, Redi Cube is another great example. Adding all these events will make things stressful for organizers so that means less competitions which is something no one wants. Therefore, we need to make things easier for organizers by making some events not mandatory (the tiered events idea). Events that are difficult for organizers might be difficult to scramble or take a long time per round. These events that are difficult to organize should not be mandatory events. Each competition can chose for itself how many not mandatory events to have, however major competitions such as nationals and worlds, should include all mandatory events. This change to the WCA means that Cubing will gain popularity through spectators and be more enjoyable for competitors and organizers alike.

Just making a post on a speedsolving forum is not enough to bring this to fruition. What needs to happen is for organizers to a lot time for non-WCA events (we know the WCA already wants to remove the hard to organize events, and the not spectator friendly events). I would recommend making a poll before the competition of events you would be willing to organize. Organizers should probably consult the delegate for regulation ideas on the events proposed before they give the poll. So organizers are deciding what events are on the poll before the competion starts, and they have regulations in place for each of the events on the poll. At the beginning of the competition take a poll (google form). Let the competitors vote for 3 events (more or less than 3 depending on how long your list is) that they would like to be held, and also ask them which events they can compete in (e.g. which puzzles they have). Towards the end of the competition announce which events won the poll, and how many or which ones will be held. The data received from the poll should aid the organizer(s) in deciding what other events to hold, but it should not dictate it. If one event gets the most votes for people wanting it to be held, but there are not many people who can compete in it, probably don’t hold that event. It is up to the organizers discretion. In summary, Organizers should: set aside time for non-WCA events at the end of the competition, create a poll of events and their regulations with help from the delegate, take a poll of which events solvers would like to see and which they can compete in, decide which to hold, and hold them.

I understand that this makes a lot more work, but I don’t think lobbying the WCA is going to help. This solution should bring about change in the community and eventually improve the WCA for everyone.
 

MattP98

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Maybe cross-post this on the WCA forum? I think this sort of discussion belongs there.

I believe we all want to a WCA that is spectator friendly
This would be ideal, but I disagree that it should be a main focus of the WCA. We have Red Bull for spectator events, and ultimately most people will only actually be interested in seeing the fastest solvers for any event. Spectator-friendliness should be a happy by-product rather than an end in itself.

Personally I think people place too much emphasis on the spectator value of cubing; cubing in general is not a spectator sport.

has diverse events (so events that are very similar should be removed, and events that are unique should be added)
Diverse events should be different meaning being good at one does not make you good at the other
I agree wholeheartedly with this, and if any future events are added I would hope they're distinct from anything we currently have. I don't think any more events should be removed without compelling reason. There are some discussions about this on the WCA forum if you're interested/haven't seen. :)

These events that are difficult to organize should not be mandatory events. Each competition can chose for itself how many not mandatory events to have, however major competitions such as nationals and worlds, should include all mandatory events.
I'm not sure what you're saying here? For normal competitions it's already not mandatory to hold every event. The principle behind tiering to my understanding is so that major championships don't have to hold every event to make them easier to organise - but then you explicitly say that major championships should hold every event?

we know the WCA already wants to remove the hard to organize events, and the not spectator friendly events
No, we don't know this. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the WCA has been burnt a bit by the handling of the removal of feet and so any future event removals will be done after a lot more community discussion. There is no evidence that the WCA is intending to remove any more events.

Organizers should: set aside time for non-WCA events at the end of the competition, create a poll of events and their regulations with help from the delegate, take a poll of which events solvers would like to see and which they can compete in, decide which to hold, and hold them.
I like the idea of more focus being on unofficial events at competitions, and something like this could be a step towards making that happen. I don't think it should be mandatory, if that's what you're suggesting.
 

GodCubing

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I just don't like the term tiered events I think there is a better way of describing that concept. I was just trying to say major competitions aren't required to hold tier 2 events. I agree with everything you said except I will respectfully disagree about spectator friendliness, but I understand where you are coming from.
 

LBr

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Removing the hard to organise and time consuming events would mean removing all the blind events except 3BLD. Also, the approach that hard to organise events shoud be removed is lazy, and events that take longer to organise show that the event must be better as the more work you put in, the better the outcome
 

GodCubing

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Removing the hard to organise and time consuming events would mean removing all the blind events except 3BLD. Also, the approach that hard to organise events shoud be removed is lazy, and events that take longer to organise show that the event must be better as the more work you put in, the better the outcome
I think 4bld is unique, however 5bld is a bit repetitve
 

Waffles

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You also need to think about how some people would react to things changing. I know for example there was a thread w while asking if 15-puzzle should be brought into the wca, while it’s obvious nothing would happen, the poll was still about 75-3. Most of the negative responses said “people don’t want the wca too add any events and it would cause some unrest. 15-puzzle may not be a good example, but it was the only one that I’ve seen so far.

Say, for example, they removed 7x7. People who did big cubes as a main event would stop competing, or create petitions to bring it back. Same thing with events like clock and skewb. The people that main them as an event wouldn’t like it if the wca suddenly removed them. If anyone did feet as a main event, they’d probably have quit the wca last year.
 

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I think 4bld is unique, however 5bld is a bit repetitve
I highly disagree with your statement that 5BLD is repetitive.

I got my first 5BLD success in 2014, and first official success in 2015. There are just too many optimizations I am working on for this event, and the depth that this event has shown is immense. There are a lot of creative solutions that I come up with like getting more solved centers, or cool wing parity setups, doing block commutators etc, which are not possible in the 3BLD or 4BLD events because of low depth.

Even on the SS Forums, I regularly post cool 5BLD solutions, in the 5x5 Example Solves Game. 5BLD is one of the events which make me highly motivated to continue speedcubing, as it is already my 14th year in, and smaller events like 2x2, skewb and pyra do not have that much creative value to me (highly subjective though, these events can still be creative sometimes).
 
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