# How to make a 2x2 first layer in as few moves as possible?

#### bullahg

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Hi,

This is my first post here. It took me quite a bit of time to figure out how to post a thread, but I finally figured it out.
So getting right to the point. I recently started to learn CLL on the 2x2 and so far it takes me at least 7-9, maybe more moves just to build the first layer. Sometimes I even have trouble making a layer for the ortega method in under 6 moves. And yes I am colour neutral. I was wondering if someone can give me a few tips or tricks as to how to make the first layer quickly and efficiently. And if it helps I average around 4-5 sec with ortega but I don't practice a lot with the 2x2 so thats why its kinda slow.

Thanks a lot...

#### molarmanful

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Very strange. Example solve please? I really can't see why it would take that many moves for side/layer, so example solve would really clear it up.

#### Berd

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Try chirs olsons tutorials.

#### bullahg

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"TDM" and "United Thought", thanks a lot, it really helped. More or less as to what I wanted.
Oh, for example F U2 R' F R2 F R U2. I scrambled this with white on top and green on front. However I get stuck as to which colour to make first and how.

#### 00

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"TDM" and "United Thought", thanks a lot, it really helped. More or less as to what I wanted.
Oh, for example F U2 R' F R2 F R U2. I scrambled this with white on top and green on front. However I get stuck as to which colour to make first and how.

For Ortega you could do x' z U' R2 U R', for CLL you could do z' y R' F R2 U' B2 R2. That's not a very nice scramble, though...

#### bullahg

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Thanks a lot, so basically we can go over 5 moves if we need to while making a face.

#### nalralz

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Chris Olsen AKA Cyotheking has some great videos on that and even has an entire video just for building efficient layers.

#### theROUXbiksCube

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Chris Olsen AKA Cyotheking has some great videos on that and even has an entire video just for building efficient layers.

i thought Chris said his layers suck in that video xD

#### EMI

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I find it strange that many suggest moving from Ortega on to pure CLL. It is much faster imo to only use CLL when an easy layer occurs. At the same time you don't have to reswitch to sides when you learn full EG (not that I have).
The scramble you posted - super easy three-move white side. It's a total waste of time to try to make a layer here, if you ask me.

#### tseitsei

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I find it strange that many suggest moving from Ortega on to pure CLL. It is much faster imo to only use CLL when an easy layer occurs. At the same time you don't have to reswitch to sides when you learn full EG (not that I have).
The scramble you posted - super easy three-move white side. It's a total waste of time to try to make a layer here, if you ask me.

That is why I still think that learning EG-1 before CLL would be smart... I actually tried to do it once but I don't care about 2x2 enough and I hate learning new algs.

But yeah, 6/8 times (or is it 5/8? Well most of the time anyway) the easiest face is adjacent swap so most of the time you can just build the easiest face you can find and use EG-1 as opposed CLL where only 1/8 times the easiest face happens to be a layer...

#### BboyArchon

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That is why I still think that learning EG-1 before CLL would be smart... I actually tried to do it once but I don't care about 2x2 enough and I hate learning new algs.

Same

But yeah, 6/8 times (or is it 5/8? Well most of the time anyway) the easiest face is adjacent swap so most of the time you can just build the easiest face you can find and use EG-1 as opposed CLL where only 1/8 times the easiest face happens to be a layer...

2/3 for adjacent swap and 1/6 for layer and diagonal swap

#### PenguinsDontFly

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i thought Chris said his layers suck in that video xD

suckiness is relative. chris is god.

@OP, try to think of making a layer as getting the pieces placed in any order one-by-one, two at a time, etc. dont be afraid of inserting two corners at once and finding knew ways to do things. an efficient layer is sort of like an advanced cross. instead of placing cross edges edges one-by-one, you try to influence the next piece. Similarly, try placing corners of a layer while influencing other pieces, or if possible, solving two corners at a time. Slow/untimed solves help