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I average around 19 seconds and I haven't improved yet. How could I improve?
cross: 3 seconds
F2L: 10 seconds
OLL: 3 seconds
PLL: 3 seconds
100% F2L.

I am currently just sub 20, so I’m not as good as you, but because i use 4LLL (i know algs suck), I average faster on cross and f2l.

Cross: 2
F2L: 8
OLL: 4.5 (dont ask)
PLL: 4.5 (dont ask)

What I think would’ve helped me when I was averaging what you are now (for the first 2L) would’ve been F2L lookahead and blindfolded cross solves. Making sure you know how to solve the cross during inspection is crucial for cross to f2l transition as you can looking for your first pair while not looking at the cross (while solving it). Take as long as you need to solve the cross blindfolded. With f2l lookahead, people continue to say “not look at the pair which you are solving”, which is what you should be doing, if you know how to solve every single f2l case blindfolded. Because if you do not know how to solve an f2l pair without looking at it, you will.......have to look at it, forcing bad lookahead. If you dont know how to do this, PLEASE do it, it helps so much. If you do, then and only then, focus on lookahead.

Also making sure you have efficient f2l pairing and inserting for each case is crucial because no one wants to be doing 30 moves just solving an f2l pair. Although I’m not the most qualified to answer this I hoped I gave some assistance.
 

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100% F2L.

I am currently just sub 20, so I’m not as good as you, but because I use 4LLL (i know algs suck), I average faster on cross and f2l.

Cross: 2
F2L: 8
OLL: 4.5 (dont ask)
PLL: 4.5 (dont ask)

What I think would’ve helped me when I was averaging what you are now (for the first 2L) would’ve been F2L lookahead and blindfolded cross solves. Making sure you know how to solve the cross during inspection is crucial for cross to f2l transition as you can looking for your first pair while not looking at the cross (while solving it). Take as long as you need to solve the cross blindfolded. With f2l lookahead, people continue to say “not look at the pair which you are solving”, which is what you should be doing, if you know how to solve every single f2l case blindfolded. Because if you do not know how to solve an f2l pair without looking at it, you will.......have to look at it, forcing bad lookahead. If you don't know how to do this, PLEASE do it, it helps so much. If you do, then and only then, focus on lookahead.

Also making sure you have efficient f2l pairing and inserting for each case is crucial because no one wants to be doing 30 moves just solving an f2l pair. Although I’m not the most qualified to answer this I hoped I gave some assistance.
Thank you for your advice.
I use full OLL and PLL I also know some Winter variation and COLL too(I suck at F2L)
 

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I am now average around 1.15 and I dont know how to get faster, can somone help me?
 

Thijn

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Thanks yes I can do f2l and 2 look oll and almost 2 look pll but how can I improve my f2l, with look ahead?
 
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Do I need to learn full lol and pop to be sub 10 on my solves?
 

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If you want to get sub 10 on 3x3, you pretty much have no choice, because using the beginners method is almost impossible to get sub 10 on. Even when you know full OLL and PLL sub 10 is not easy, especially to average, but if you want to get a sub 10 single you can totally only know full PLL and maybe some OLL if not less than that, when the right scramble pops up. However, if you want to get fast and or faster at 3x3, learning full PLL and OLL, mainly PLL at first is essential, especially to get sub 10.


Note: Yes, I’m aware that BrodyTheCuber got
sub-10 using the beginners method.
 

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Thanks but can I get sub ten using 2 look?
Using full OLL and PLL is two look last layer. Did you mean 2 look OLL// 3 look last layer?
I’m sure it’s probably possible but would be way harder. I’d just recommend learning full PLL, then learning 1 OLL a day and skip the dot cases, at least initially
 
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Thanks but can I get sub ten using 2 look?
I know this kind of thing is daunting. It seems hard, and it kind of is, but learning algorithms shouldn’t be something you do all at once. Learn an alg once a day/ every few days to keep the doctor away. If you learn some and really decide you hate learning algorithms, switch to roux, which is another method that does not use OLL and PLL at all
 

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...skip the dot cases, at least initially
After 2look OLL, I started learning 1 look OLL from dot cases, I found it very interesting, because it's the longest OLL, and I didn't find it so hard, it has some very interesting patterns. I haven't finished 1look OLL yet, but dot cases helps me a lot to have a shorter time when appears, quickly executing.
So I don't think it's so bad to learn dot cases soon :D
 

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After 2look OLL, I started learning 1 look OLL from dot cases, I found it very interesting, because it's the longest OLL, and I didn't find it so hard, it has some very interesting patterns. I haven't finished 1look OLL yet, but dot cases helps me a lot to have a shorter time when appears, quickly executing.
So I don't think it's so bad to learn dot cases soon :D
Definitely! It’s just easy to initially just force some EO with a sledgehammer to reduce the initial learning curve
 
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Knowing full OLL and PLL will definitely make you faster compared to 2-look!
E.g. maybe you do a PLL in...say, 2 seconds? Doing only 1 PLL reduces your time by 2!
So, tho the process will be tedious, you should definitely learn full OLL and PLL, but like OreKehStrah said, learn the PLLs before the OLLs.
Happy learning! :)
 

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Just learn them slowly. I learn one per week even though my average isn’t where I would need full pll or oll. It’s not hard at all if you use good pdf sheets. I recommend the cubeskills pdfs.
 
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