# [Help Thread]How to Get Faster using the Fridrich / CFOP Method

#### Jeff Dunham

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@icarneiro and @OreKehStrah

Would you suggest using a resource like J perm's f2l pdf to learn some efficient algorithms for certain cases? Just looked over it, I actually know 22 out of the 41 basic cases (some algorithmically, but majority muscle memory) not 12.

#### Cubingcubecuber

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@icarneiro and @OreKehStrah

Would you suggest using a resource like J perm's f2l pdf to learn some efficient algorithms for certain cases? Just looked over it, I actually know 22 out of the 41 basic cases (some algorithmically, but majority muscle memory) not 12.
I think the pdf is good. Also watch jperms cross videos to get cross consistently under 6 seconds

#### icarneiro

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@icarneiro and @OreKehStrah

Would you suggest using a resource like J perm's f2l pdf to learn some efficient algorithms for certain cases? Just looked over it, I actually know 22 out of the 41 basic cases (some algorithmically, but majority muscle memory) not 12.
I learned watching the jperm and BrodyTheCuber videos, I have to print the jperm pdf to learn some specific cases too

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I am learning CFOP, I have been using a beginners method previously. I learned to solve the cube about a year and a half ago but never worked on getting better until the past weekish.
Old Method:
1. White cross oriented and permuted [O+P](With white face up)
2. White corners O+P (1st layer)
3. Second layer O+P
4. Yellow cross O
5. Yellow cross P
6. Last 4 corners P
7. Last 4 corners O (I believe 4-7 is BLL?)
So that's what I've been doing. I can get about 1:15-1:45 with that method depending on the scramble.
I am now transitioning to CFOP and my times are worse at about 1:45-2:30 but that it mainly because I am pausing during f2l a lot as I am learning cases
Current Method:
1. white cross in 8 or less moves (yellow face up)
2. F2L (Lots of pausing to decide what pair and what case, trying to be intuitive)
3. BLL same as above as I am focusing on cross and F2L right now, will learn OLL & PLL later
What I want to ask is am I going about this in the right way, trying to optimise cross and F2L FIRST (And learning finger tricks) before getting in to OLL & PLL? or am I going about this all wrong?

#### Tavin25

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Hey there everyone I wonder if anyone can contact me somehow and teach me advance CFOP. If possible you can contact me in my accounts here.

Gmail: [email protected]
Skype: [email protected]

#### GAN 356 X

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J perm and Brody the cuber both have great tutorials on F2L and LL. After that move on to Cubeskills algorithm sheets for OLL and PLL, or cyotheking's website

#### Iwannaganx

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If you are looking for something personalised, try Jayden McNeil. It's pricey, and I haven't tried it, but it's meant to be amazing

#### GAN 356 X

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If you are looking for something personalised, try Jayden McNeil. It's pricey, and I haven't tried it, but it's meant to be amazing
Brody the cuber also does lessons, and J perm does critiques if you support him on Patreon I believe. I would recommend signing up for Jayden Mcneil's newsletter. apart from helping me improve it also makes me laugh

#### Tavin25

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Thanks, guys I will try Jayden Mcneil.

Gus Cyotheking is the best. It has great oll and pll algs. I would recommend for beginners as I have already learned 2 oll algs.

#### ImmolatedMarmoset

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Thanks, guys I will try Jayden Mcneil.
No disrespect intended, but please do not try Jayden’s services. I think that even he would agree that for your level, you should just try online resources, and he would probably just point you to those if you submitted some of your solves. Try J perm.

#### Tavin25

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Yeah I will try Jperm cause it has an amazing website and has great algs.

#### Iwannaganx

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No disrespect intended, but please do not try Jayden’s services. I think that even he would agree that for your level, you should just try online resources, and he would probably just point you to those if you submitted some of your solves. Try J perm.
Yes, buying the improvement plan or whatever is probably not a good idea. But subscribe to his newsletter, it's really good

#### Dystro

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Hey everyone,

I just started cubing two months ago and I am averaging at 25 seconds. I started to learn all the pll algorithms, but I feel like my times don't improve much.
I need about 3 seconds for cross, 12 seconds for F2l, 3 seconds for OLL and 6 seconds for PLL.
Do you have any tips what I should be working on?

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#### icarneiro

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Record an ao5 or ao12, see how much time you spend in:

Cross
F2L
OLL
PLL

And tell us, this will help to understand in what you have to improve.

#### Dystro

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Record an ao5 or ao12, see how much time you spend in:

Cross
F2L
OLL
PLL

And tell us, this will help to understand in what you have to improve.
I need about 3 seconds for cross, 12 seconds for F2l, 3 seconds for oll and 6 seconds for pll.

#### PetrusQuber

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PLL is worth it in the end, including recognition, you can cut off about 3 seconds.
Try out X Cross, and make sure you know all your F2L algs in your muscle memory. Also, welcome to the forums!

#### Tabe

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Hey everyone,

I just started cubing two months ago and I am averaging at 25 seconds. I started to learn all the pll algorithms, but I feel like my times don't improve much.
I need about 3 seconds for cross, 12 seconds for F2l, 3 seconds for OLL and 6 seconds for PLL.
Do you have any tips what I should be working on?
F2L. It's half your current solve times and has lots of room for improvement.

#### GAN 356 X

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I would learn full PLL and full OLL. I have learnt full PLL and it really wasn't all that hard. Currently I am half way through full OLL and it isn't tooo hard if you learn 1-2 a day

#### KM the cuber

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try to work on F2L
I can do F2L under 10 seconds

F2L. It's half your current solve times and has lots of room for improvement.
I totally agree

I average around 19 seconds and I haven't improved yet. How could I improve?
cross: 3 seconds
F2L: 10 seconds
OLL: 3 seconds
PLL: 3 seconds

#### The Pocket Cuber

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I average around 19 seconds and I haven't improved yet. How could I improve?
cross: 3 seconds
F2L: 10 seconds
OLL: 3 seconds
PLL: 3 seconds
100% F2L.

I am currently just sub 20, so I’m not as good as you, but because i use 4LLL (i know algs suck), I average faster on cross and f2l.

Cross: 2
F2L: 8