# How good is "good"?

#### White KB

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So I have been cubing for 2 years, 4 months, 3, weeks, 2 days, and about 17 hours as of 8/09/2019 at 12:30 PM.
I have been trying to figure out if I'm relatively good or bad, but I can't...
because
I don't know how good...
is "good".

Could you guys help me out? This thread will hopefully be a future reference to cubers in
the future, so I need to know how fast you would need to be in all the WCA Events (2x2, 3x3, 4x4, 5x5, 6x6, 7x7, Pyraminx, Skewb, Megaminx, Clock, Square-1, 3OH, 3WF, 3FMC, 3BLD, 4BLD, 5BLD, & MBLD) plus maybe some extras.
Thanks,
WhiteKB

#### BMcD308

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A rule of thumb is that proficiency in a new skill is reached after 100 hours of practice. Proficiency implies expertise, so if you are proficient at something, you are at the very least "good" at it.

My own opinions on the matter:

I would say that one is "good" at solving a given twisty puzzle if one can consistently solve it from a random scramble state without outside assistance. I would call all levels of skill above that something more than "good."

WCA uses cutoff times to discourage people who are not "good" at a given puzzle or event from entering. The exception is 3x3, which typically has a 10 minute cutoff time to encourage beginners to attend events. While I would say that you are "good" at solving 3x3 if you can consistently do it in 10 minutes, others might not agree. But the cutoff times for the other events require much more dedication to achieve, and you are at least "good" at those events if you can do it in the cutoff time.

So you are a "good" competitive solver of a particular puzzle if you can consistently solve that puzzle within the cutoff time published for most local WCA competitions.

You are a "good" national / global level competitor for a particular puzzle if you can consistently solve that puzzle in the cutoff time for competitions that attract the best competitors in the country / world. Being "good" on a national level is a big step up from being "good" in the junior college gym or church rec center or wherever you competed before you went national. But the word "good" just got very relative here, and goodness is being measured against a group of people who achieve world record greatness. I know lots of people who are "good" at tennis and golf who could never qualify for a national tennis or golf event. And I hear people watching pro football saying that some player is "no good," despite the fact that the player is in the dadgum NFL. Why did the Patriots hire him if he's no good? I bet he's at least "good" at football.

In order to give you specific times, tell me who you're measuring yourself against. People who don't know how to solve the cube? They probably think you are really good at it. Max Park? He probably thinks you are not very good at it, but rumor has it he is far too nice to say that.

Other people who have been cubing 2 years, 4 months, 3, weeks, 2 days? No way to tell. But given the times in your sig line, I'd say you are good at 2x2, 3x3, and 4x4. Because I think I'm good at those, and you are way faster than I.

#### BMcD308

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To be "good" enough for the USA Nationals, here are the qualifying times:
2x2: 0:11
3x3: 0:40
4x4: 1:00
5x5: 1:40
6x6 3:05
7x7 4:15
from https://cubingusa.org/nationals/2019/events

Those times mean that you qualified for the biggest, most prestigious competition in the US. That's more than good.

#### u Cube

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So I have been cubing for 2 years, 4 months, 3, weeks, 2 days, and about 17 hours as of 8/09/2019 at 12:30 PM.
I have been trying to figure out if I'm relatively good or bad, but I can't...
because
I don't know how good...
is "good".

Could you guys help me out? This thread will hopefully be a future reference to cubers in
the future, so I need to know how fast you would need to be in all the WCA Events (2x2, 3x3, 4x4, 5x5, 6x6, 7x7, Pyraminx, Skewb, Megaminx, Clock, Square-1, 3OH, 3WF, 3FMC, 3BLD, 4BLD, 5BLD, & MBLD) plus maybe some extras.
Thanks,
WhiteKB
People have answered pretty well for "good" but for world class here are the times (i dont do big cubes so i cant do those lel)
2x2- sub-2
3x3- sub-7.5
4x4- sub-30?
pyra- sub-3.5
skewb- sub-4
sq1- sub-9
oh- sub-12

#### icarneiro

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I don't know, analyzing the word "good" compared to the "great" and “excelent”

I guess... in my mind, good is:
3x3 for non-cubers view: sub-1minute
3x3 for speedcubers view: sub-30...sub-25... (?)

Great: sub-15
Excelent: sub-10
God: sub-8
Feliks: sub-6

#### Astral cubing

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In my opinion ” good” is...
3x3: sub 12
2x2: sub 3
4x4: sub 40
5x5: sub 1:30
6x6: never done or solved
7x7: never done or solved
3x3oh: sub 18
Pyraminx: sub 4
Megaminx: sub 1:10

These are what I would call “ good” stats but we define what “good” compares to “bad, decent, ok, great, excellent , etc.” these could go on and on but none of this matters if your a world record holder or do the sport for fun unless you find your fun opinion comparing your stats with others.

#### WombatWarrior17

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"Good" is a very subjective term. A good solve for you may be a great solve to someone else, but a bad solve for another. It also varies from place to place. What may be an NR for one country may only be an SR in the US. The only baseline we might have for this would be what world-class is, but even that is still slightly subjective.

#### u Cube

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Good: better than you at the time of thought
so true lol I thought I would be "good" when I got sub-15 but once I achieved it I want sub- 13 lol

#### aerocube

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people will never think they are good because everyone always defines good as better than them
objectively anyone in the top 50% of cubers is good

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To be "good" enough for the USA Nationals, here are the qualifying times:
2x2: 0:11
3x3: 0:40
4x4: 1:00
5x5: 1:40
6x6 3:05
7x7 4:15
from https://cubingusa.org/nationals/2019/events

Those times mean that you qualified for the biggest, most prestigious competition in the US. That's more than good.
The thing is with most comps like bats is that the qualifying times are usually as lax as possible so I wouldn't say the times are particularly representative of good. On the other hand, people who do qualify will probably be fast enough to impress the average person though probably not most cubers

#### Wish Lin

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I think that being good is that you are in the front 50% of any events' world ranking.

2x2- sub 1.5
3x3- sub 6.5
4x4- sub 25
5x5- sub 45
6x6- sub 1:20
7x7- sub 2
3BLD- sub 20
FMC- sub 22
OH -sub 10
Feet- sub 24
Clock-sub 5
Mega- sub 34
Pyra- sub 2
Skewb- sub 2.5
Sq1- sub 8
4BLD- sub 1:30
5BLD- sub 3
MBLD- sup 50

#### Wish Lin

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2x2- sub 1.5
3x3- sub 6.5
4x4- sub 25
5x5- sub 45
6x6- sub 1:20
7x7- sub 2
3BLD- sub 20
FMC- sub 22
OH -sub 10
Feet- sub 24
Clock-sub 5
Mega- sub 34
Pyra- sub 2
Skewb- sub 2.5
Sq1- sub 8
4BLD- sub 1:30
5BLD- sub 3
MBLD- sup 50
Are you serious? That's not good. That's GOD.

#### Parke187

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Are you serious? That's not good. That's GOD.
I mean that's like, world class, which is what "Good" is imo

#### Wish Lin

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I mean that's like, world class, which is what "Good" is imo
Yes, of course. But what about people that are not world class? Not good?

#### White KB

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Wow! This thread has only been up for 16 1/2 hours, and I already have almost as many responses (not like you can really have half of a comment anyway)! I guess people really want to know as much as I do how good "good" is! I really like all of your interest in this topic, so don't stop posting!

#### White KB

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Huh. I really like how it divides it into different levels of "good" for several events! I like your spreadsheet, so I made an editable copy so I can use it in the future (I'm probably going to use it "as is" though)

#### Wish Lin

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Maybe we should make a similar spreadsheet which tells you the time required to be top 10/100/1000... At each event, I could obviously do it quite easily with the current results but there is probably a way of making it update automatically.
I've tried something similar before but failed. You just need to embed the respective elements to your site but I can't seem to extract them from WCA's result page.