# How do I get sub 15 on 3x3?

#### chikato_tan

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my average is 18.xxs , that is my huge archivement , but now i one to sub 15s , can anyone guide me what to do , what should i practise ??? thank you

#### irontwig

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The thing you're worst at.

#### vcuber13

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it will be hard for people to tell you what to practice if we dont know your breakdown

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#### Deleted member 2864

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cube more, achieve fasts.
...another candle lit and a pint of grape juice consumed. One day BigGreen, ima accomplish my 1/4 of your 2 cents goal.

It's kinda hard to see what you're doing from that angle. Just try to turn as fast as you can while being able to maintain a decent look ahead. Your times will decrease eventually as you get better at looking ahead while turning fast. It's a matter of balancing out look ahead and fast turning imo. Although, I'm only beginning to cross sub 15. XD

Pretty much, just practice.

EDIT: I'm not saying "slow down and look ahead". I think that's just an overly repeated phrase to make you seem insightful. Slowing down too much will be just as costly imo and from my experience. Rather, "balance look ahead and turning speed" is what I'm saying. Eventually you'll be able to turn faster while maintaining the same look ahead.

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#### QCcuber4

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here is the video of my average of 5 ( the forth time is DNF , ashame) .After watch the video please help me , thanks .

I average about as much as you, but still my tip would be, stand close to the mat for a first, it would make you save a bit of time not having to drive your car to the spacebar.

second: My problem is f2l look-ahead, maybe its yours too, it is most of the time... I practice slower, but emphasize on look-ahead to a point where i never stop, and gradually try going faster on each solve. I got sub 20 pretty quickly using this practice method.

Third and last: thats my personnal opinion, but i believe learning 2 or even 3 algorithms for any single case is a big plus, of course im not talking about 2 algs that work for the same angle, more like, not having to rotate the cube 180 on t-perm for example, i use (L U L' U' Rw' U L2 x' U' L' U' L U L' B')

It saves me having to do U2 twice...

My 2-cents, hope it gave you somthing

#### chikato_tan

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should i start learning color neutral , or Felik tutorial ,......

#### shelley

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Neither of those is necessary or sufficient for sub-15. Just practice moar.

#### spdcbr

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Well I really cant see much from that angle, but I think its mostly your f2l so try to increase your turning speed and look-ahead. Yeahh and that's about it! Keep practicing!

Off topic: My investgations lead me to the fact that you are Korean (might be wrong :3). Are you?
안녕! lol

#### chikato_tan

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i have a Korean friend , but im Vietnamese , youre Korean?

#### chikato_tan

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some guys told me that i should playing big cubes , because theyre algorithms will help me improve 3x3x3 skill , so is it right ?

#### Rpotts

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I don't think getting better at big cubes will help your 3x3 times. I didn't watch your vid so i can't say for certain what you need but -

Learn f2l from all angles to minimize cube rotations, 1-3 max

Learn full OLL/PLL and practice your algs til you can do all of them sub 2 consistently. (you may need to go back and learn new algs if you have trouble with some of yours)

Practice cross blindfolded and always make sure you use 8(7) moves or less. Get cross done in < 2 seconds every solve

Cross + F2l should be 8-10 seconds or so on average to get sub 15 solves.

#### spdcbr

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i have a Korean friend , but im Vietnamese , you`re Korean?
Yeah. It's just that your videos were so Korean ^^;;. lol well ghosthands can be found in korea (Feliks video), the song from the stop motion was from a Korean drama, and the tv in your average was sony (most Koreans use sony) and the fan looked asian. well yeah they all led to you being korean but I was wrong -.- lol fail

#### Gavin

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moar practices = moar fasts
Just practice turning speed and lookahead.

#### Michiel van der Blonk

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I am not sub-15 myself, but I would say start measuring your turning speed. If you can get to 3.5 you definitely will be sub 15 with the right method (60 moves or less) and good look ahead. If it's hard to count while solving try to get it from a video.

#### Chrish

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The way I currently solve my cross is this:

I just put all the white edges to the white center piece, then I permute them. So if two adjacent as wrong, R U R' U' fixes it, if two opposites are swapped, I do X M U2 M', then move onto my F2L.

This is what I taught myself when I started cubing 3 years ago with the beginners method and never thought to change it. I can average 18-19 atm but can't seem to get past that. And I'm wondering if my cross is what's slowing me down.

From what I explained, does my cross seem inefficient? If needed I can upload a video to show what I do visually.

#### hawkmp4

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The way I currently solve my cross is this:

I just put all the white edges to the white center piece, then I permute them. So if two adjacent as wrong, R U R' U' fixes it, if two opposites are swapped, I do X M U2 M', then move onto my F2L.

This is what I taught myself when I started cubing 3 years ago with the beginners method and never thought to change it. I can average 18-19 atm but can't seem to get past that. And I'm wondering if my cross is what's slowing me down.

From what I explained, does my cross seem inefficient? If needed I can upload a video to show what I do visually.
How long does the cross take you?