# [Help Thread] Blindfolded discussion and help

#### Imsoosm

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So I am wanting to learn how to solve the 3x3 blindfolded, and I have been looking on Jperm's website, and when swapping 2 edges with the t-perm I noticed it also affects the corners, and when you do setup moves it would move those edges around, so I was wondering if that actually affects the solve and memorizing the cube.
Yes, it does affect the corners. You always have both even or both odd numbers of corners and edges. Say there are 8 edges and 10 corners. If you do 8 times T perm, the corners are still solved. If you have 9 edges and 11 corners, then you do parity alg.

There are no algorithms that only swap 2 pieces. That's only possible on a even numbered cube starting from 4x4.

And yes, setup moves do affect the edges. That's why you undo setup moves.

#### AJT17

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Yes, it does affect the corners. You always have both even or both odd numbers of corners and edges. Say there are 8 edges and 10 corners. If you do 8 times T perm, the corners are still solved. If you have 9 edges and 11 corners, then you do parity alg.

And yes, setup moves do affect the edges. That's why you undo setup moves.
Ok, I knew that you undid the setup moves, and thanks for letting me know about both being even or odd and parity.

#### kbrune

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I'm trying to figure out how to adapt X and + centers from 5x5 to 7bld centers that aren't X and +. I've been searching for turorials on 7bld or just 7bld information in general and I haven't found anything. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

#### abunickabhi

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I'm trying to figure out how to adapt X and + centers from 5x5 to 7bld centers that aren't X and +. I've been searching for tutorials on 7bld or just 7bld information in general and I haven't found anything. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

This tutorial did a decent job explaining bigBLD back in the day. I still feel it is relevant today for getting to know about 7BLD centers. Hope it helps!

#### SpeedCubeLegend17

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I've been struggling with learning M2 for edges in 3BLD, and I was wondering if it is the best method to allow me to get faster, and if I should just keep trying. I'm much slower with it, and I haven't had a successful solve yet. I'm mostly struggling with setup moves. Should I try another method, or does anyone have some tips?

#### Cuberstache

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I've been struggling with learning M2 for edges in 3BLD, and I was wondering if it is the best method to allow me to get faster, and if I should just keep trying. I'm much slower with it, and I haven't had a successful solve yet. I'm mostly struggling with setup moves. Should I try another method, or does anyone have some tips?
Have you already gotten successful blindfolded solves with Old Pochmann? If yes, keep trying with M2 as it's the best next step. If no, I would recommend starting out with Old Pochmann, although M2 isn't really that much harder.

#### SpeedCubeLegend17

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Have you already gotten successful blindfolded solves with Old Pochmann? If yes, keep trying with M2 as it's the best next step. If no, I would recommend starting out with Old Pochmann, although M2 isn't really that much harder.
Yes, I have quite a few successes with Old Pochmann, and I average about 3 minutes with it.

#### Cuberstache

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Yes, I have quite a few successes with Old Pochmann, and I average about 3 minutes with it.
In that case, learning M2 is exactly what you should be doing. Just keep at it, and see if you can find some example solves to help you with setup moves.

#### SpeedCubeLegend17

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In that case, learning M2 is exactly what you should be doing. Just keep at it, and see if you can find some example solves to help you with setup moves.
Ok, thanks!

#### SpeedCubeLegend17

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I just decided to ask this on my previous thread, but how fast with M2/OP allow me to get? What methods come next?

#### Cuberstache

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I just decided to ask this on my previous thread, but how fast with M2/OP allow me to get? What methods come next?
You could theoretically get sub-30 and maybe a bit faster with M2/OP but you should probably look into either Orozco or 3-style when you're around a minute.

#### Samuel Baird

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I peaked averaging about 30 second execution with M2/OP, the algs and setups are are pretty tps friendly so it’s not too hard to get some decent solve items.

adding to what cuberstache said, I would recommend sticking with M2/OP until you are a bit faster and really want to commit to 3bld. At that point learn 3style. The time that someone is averaging may be different from person to person.

if you reach a point where you feel like M2/OP is limiting you but you don’t feel like learning 3style then I would recommend learning eka edges and corners

#### SpeedCubeLegend17

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I've been having trouble remembering corners after edge execution, unless I review them multiple times which makes memo slower. But, I also come up with words on the spot, so would creating words for each pair and then memorizing them help with recall?

#### abunickabhi

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I've been having trouble remembering corners after edge execution, unless I review them multiple times which makes memo slower. But, I also come up with words on the spot, so would creating words for each pair and then memorizing them help with recall?
Do not come up with words on the spot. Have a predefined list in a google sheet where you have figured out all the letter pairs.
Reviewing corners once is good enough, if you have trouble recalling it during exec, make sure that your corner image has some kind of a trigger that you can initiate if there is a chance of going blank.

#### Mastermind2368

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I've been learning Orozco, and I've gotten quite comfortable with solving edges (At least sighted, still need to finish learning corners before I do BLD attempts). In sighted solving I notice that I can quite often cancel moves into the next comm, and I try to do it whenever I can as it does save moves. My question is, should this be a top priority in improving edges, or are there other things that are more important to focus on?

Also, some of my finger tricks are not the fastest, I sometimes have multiple regrips and such. Is this something that I should work on cutting out right now, or is this something that I should try to gradually improve over time?

#### SkewbIsTheBestEvent

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I have a question: I currently average 4 minutes on 3BLD, and I use M2/OP. How many solves do I need to do to get Sub 1?

#### SpeedCubeLegend17

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I have a question: I currently average 4 minutes on 3BLD, and I use M2/OP. How many solves do I need to do to get Sub 1?
I average around 1:30 with M2/OP, and I've done hundreds of solves. What are your splits? My memo is usually 30-40 seconds while my execution is around 40-50 seconds.

#### SkewbIsTheBestEvent

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My splits are 2.5minutes memorizing and 1.5 minutes of execution. So far I've only done 100 solves.

#### SpeedCubeLegend17

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My splits are 2.5minutes memorizing and 1.5 minutes of execution. So far I've only done 100 solves.
Definitely work on memo first, I use audio for edges and images for corners, are you familiar with this memo technique? Something that helped me was trying to rush my memo, and just doing it over and over again until successes become more frequent. I am definitely not an expert in BLD solving but this is just my experience.

#### Nevan J

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I average 3 minutes to 4 minutes on 3BLD, so when should I start learning audio memo for edges? i use M2/OP